0:00 This uh tripped me out a lot because apparently Kentucky has this new law that works a lot like Minority Report. You know the movie? >> Oh yeah. >> Like almost like pre-rime. Yeah. >> Pre-Rime. Yeah. >> What the hell? [laughter] >> That sounds funny to me. But um so it's meant to prevent child grooming. And the way that it works is that uh so here's here's the the recent offender. >> I like the intention so far. >> It's a good intention. Yeah. So you got you got this lady. Uh, so she basically in Kentucky, >> she looks like three different people. >> The parent of a 14-year-old high school student discovered messages on the kid's phone from his teacher, 25-year-old married Sadie M. Flores. And uh, so there's late night records of FaceTime conversations, social media messages where the teacher was expressing uh,
0:50 admiration to the student that was getting a little bit creepy to this boy. Um, and starting in July, the state implemented a new charge that gets you jail time if you're discovered to have been sending messages to minors that are attempting an emotional connection for the purpose of future sexual conduct. Isn't that interesting? >> Wow. So, they're trying to like find a way to categorize grooming cuz it is so subjective, right? >> Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. They're trying to they they found a way. They've actually like defined it in their in their rules about this. But like if they can prove that what you're saying is being used to coers someone for a later thing. >> Wait, so is it is it a preemptive or is it more like after the fact that you've been charged with assaulting? Then they go back into the records and then they can add that on top.
1:40 >> It's preemptive. It's completely preemptive. So, if they catch you in the act of texting back and forth and you haven't done anything yet, >> you haven't done anything yet of eliciting an emotional response though, right? That's kind of the category. >> Can I ask a question? Why? What on for what reason does a teacher need to text a kid, [snorts and laughter] >> dude? >> Ever. >> That's a good ████ question. >> What if you're horny? >> Oh, if you're horny. Yeah, exactly. >> That is the best reason. >> That's a really good reason, though. Well, I know like more small town kind of world, even though it's inappropriate, they do blur the lines. Like in Hawaii, there's a lot of ████ that won't fly here. That's like teachers go to birthday parties of their students and like they hang out outside of school and then like there's like they do talk and it's more casual like the ████ that they do even within the workplace like the whole there's no
2:30 separation of like boss and employee is and then if you don't act like that they're go yeah you're from the mainland you're weird you're antisocial. >> Yeah I could see that in closer communities I could see that you know. Yeah. So, like having a number from all of your students and just be like, "Hey, remember this?" And I don't know, like what if your school's like five kids? >> Well, if you think about it, like we grew up in a really small 7th Day Adventist community, and I was used to my teachers visiting the house. >> They would just come by or they would call on the house phone, obviously, not my I didn't have a personal phone. They would call on the house phone and talk to me and just like say see how I was doing. >> What? >> Wow. >> Yeah. Because these these teachers are the same ones that we see at church. >> It's the It's a small community. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're not like you only see them at school. It's >> Oh, we didn't have teachers that cared about us. >> Yeah. Well, um our schools were so small. >> So, you probably saw the same teachers your whole life, too. >> My whole life. And the principal like
3:21 everybody is like in one bubble. >> So, I I could see where that's a thing. But in this case, it's basically if if it got uncomfortable where like, "Hey, that was kind of a weird message." That's all they need now. Even if the um physical interaction never occurred, >> that's crazy. Uh, and the reason is before this law, detectives could only get so far as um they'd have to wait until an assault took place or an attempted assault. >> It's too late though. A trauma has already happened. >> Yeah. And it's too late. And so they would arrest someone uh once the clear solicitation happened. And the sheriff's office said that um that they wanted to do this because it's too late once the traumatic period happens. >> So even if like, oh, we got him, cuff them, boys. And it's like, yo, this kid already got, you know what I mean? Like that's going to be with them their whole life now. You know, like just because
4:11 they were waiting almost like a stake out and oh, got him. You know, like in the act, it's like, well, now it's like in this kid's mind. So, um, yeah, Satie Flores was charged with a class D felony, punishable up to uh 1 to 5 years in jail. this case, is it her actually grooming or is it uh what she's saying could be taken in that way and then so she's getting charged? >> It's the same. So both of what you said is the same thing. >> So if she's saying something that could be taken that way, she's grooming basically. >> Wow. >> So she didn't literally say, "I'll suck your dick if you get good grades." [laughter] >> Cuz if she said that, it's a clear That's pretty clear. >> That's pretty clear. >> I think so. [laughter] But if if she says, "I'll reward you and call you good boy if you get straight A's." Cuz if you like a teacher was like, "Um, you're one of the best students I've ever had." Right. That
5:02 could be depending how horny you are, you could take it like really good or like >> so >> it's got to be innuendo. >> She's facetiming him late at night. >> Yeah, >> that's already kind of crazy. >> It's already bad, right? And then the messaging that's happening, it is very like uh praising but too much. You know what I mean? Like it's not just hey you you're killing it in school >> like you're a special boy. >> Yeah. It's like personal admiration as Satie the person to child the person not like teacher the student. So it got to that and um >> but what if they don't get any positive any from anyone. She was the only one they took that away from. >> Well that's the easiest kids to take advantage of then because they're vulnerable. That's why they don't want this happening. Yeah. So the the cool thing is that you know punishable one to five years in jail. Here's the thing that I think is an interesting
5:52 crossroad. So, would you prefer um that a person like this who's doing that, whether it's a girl or guy, whatever, they're going to get less time for being caught before doing it? >> Yeah. >> Or would you rather wait until it happens? >> Yeah. Less time. >> Wait a second and then just >> less time, less trauma from the kid. >> Isn't that how all crime works? Like I mean like all app like catching people like cops literally can't do anything. >> Yeah. That's what makes it so unique. That's why I thought it was so interesting. Yeah, >> cuz like it there's women out there that are being ████ crazy stalked, harassed, and all that ████ Cops never they Well, we can't really do anything. And then they die and they go, "Aha, we'll get him now." >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. >> Would that set a precedent now where like they'll actually do something for ████ that's more violent crime and dangerous and people can die? >> I don't think so because I think this
6:43 has extra motivation cuz it's for kids to protect the kids. I do wish they did more pre-rime ████ Like if you like, let's say you you stopped the guy and then he was about to go in like a 7-Eleven and there was like something that was going to cover his face and there was a brick [laughter] >> and like ████ pepper spray or whatever like, "Oh, this guy was going to ████ loot this place." >> Yeah. >> But instead of giving the full charges, I don't know why you're even carrying this kind of ████ Anyways, >> I thought you can do that where uh I think the lieutenant guy that we had on told us that when he was like checking neighborhoods that were experiencing burglaries, if he did a if he pulled over a car for expired registration and then found burglary tools in the car at the pool at where he pulled them over, he can technically arrest them. >> Probable cause, right? >> Yeah, he he can arrest him. Uh well, that's the thing. You can arrest them, >> but like even back then, um I guess
7:33 previously you couldn't even arrest someone for like having these conversations, right? Yeah. >> So, it's a thing of like who knows if she'll be guilty when the jury decides, you know, maybe the jury will see those that evidence and go, "Ah, it looks perfectly innocent to me, you know, but the fact that she can actually be arrested is the big step forward." It's like, "Okay, you know, even if it doesn't uh it's punishable at one to five years, maybe >> beyond a reasonable doubt could be tricky here." >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You still have to fight the case. She might get an amazing lawyer that just gets her off. Like, who knows? But uh it is like that thing of where for pre-rime, you know, in the way where if you have burglary tools around a house I got robbed or it's as easy as if you're wearing a white hoodie and so was the guy that they called about, you know, like they'll just arrest you for that and then they figure out if you're guilty. So at least there's something you can do
8:23 >> with technology and teaching. I do think uh the relationship is is cooler than when when I was a kid. So like now um with like tyless classroom you sign in to this app with this with the school and then with the app you go and you can uh what is it called? >> The teacher will put updates daily. >> So they really bring like the parent teacher connection together. So you know like kids are ████ ████ right like they'll like hey do you have homework? Oh no no homework and then you find out there was a giant project due so they don't leave it in the hands of the kids to be the messenger. So they'll be like, "Hey parents, just to let you guys know, uh, this Friday, bring an extra hoodie cuz we're going on this field trip." Like all these things. So it's really cool. We have this interaction and throughout the day, the teacher will take pictures of kids and put it in the app, too.
9:14 >> So before you kind of just send your kid off, you don't know what's happening. Now you'll see I'll see like like Ta making a ████ pottery thing or whatever. And it's it's pretty cool. >> How nice. Yeah, that's really cool. >> So I think those >> Is this a public school? >> Yeah. So So those apps are pretty cool. That's surprising. >> But I can't see ████ them like texting Tiger privately. That would be I'd be like, "What the ████ This is crazy." >> And I guess the the the sad part about that, which I always think about, is like we got really lucky. I think like we nothing happened to us and our really tight communities. And it's incidents like this that just ruin it for everyone cuz now you just can't have it. You know, you know what I mean? You just can't have those relationships that are, I guess, in the perfect utopian world where they're harmless. It's very beneficial. You know what I mean? Or even the really beneficial ones. Cuz I've I've experienced both, right? And
10:05 it wasn't just our school. All private schools are more like that. Like the one that me and Tim went to, a lot of teachers would take us like fishing and just on their own dime. They would they would just it would really be a community. And I thought that that kind of environment was way better for the development of like me at least because like you have better mentors, you have people involved like you're having other discussions aside from lecture just about life and whatever. you have people that like you can look up to and show you the ropes >> aside from your parents and maybe you don't have good I don't know there's it's just a way better environment I think that it should be like I know small towns operate that way but like there's so much ████ distrust in like a big city and the public school system is like a factory where they don't give a ████ about you no one cares everyone's stressed out and I don't think that's a
10:55 good spot to be just in general >> the default is distrust right the default is like oh >> which I agree Yeah, but it's that's the sad reality. It's like, damn, you have to, you know, but like >> Yeah, cuz we'll never have that again. I don't think like like I my life was my pastor would just show up to the house and he would see me building a Lego castle and he'd complete it with me. >> This random pastor dude >> while he kiss while he kissed you. >> I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. While he caressed me, okay, [laughter] and then just left. And I was like, what? That's tight. >> I could see that only in with extracurriculars. >> Yeah. like Taika is developing a pretty cool relationship with his soccer coach or with his jiu-jitsu coach >> and then I can see that crossing into like birthday parties or you know like where it gets closer and closer and they have like this development but it's harder to see that happen in a school environment.
11:45 >> If his soccer coach was like I want to take him fishing what would you say >> right now? I think we just started but if I've like vetted him for like 5 years I'd be like yeah maybe >> that just blows my mind that your teachers took you fishing. That's that's super cool. I wish I had teachers that cared >> cuz you went to public the whole time. Yeah, the whole time. And like if I saw my teacher, one time I saw my teacher at the grocery store and it was like a Marvel Universe crossover event like like of my real life and then seeing your teacher enter your real life and you're like what? >> How big was your uh elementary school? >> It was pretty big I think compared to you guys. >> Thousand people, >> I got to be. Yeah, >> that's crazy. Like mine was like less than 200. >> Wow. >> Kindergarten to 8th grade. >> Like my old at my old jiu-jitsu gym, there'd be this kid. He comes from kind of like very very very like humble beginnings where the parents can't really do anything for the kid, but he just showed extreme talent. So the
12:35 jiu-jitsu coach was like, I'll just take him cross country to compete at this world event and bring him back. And he's been doing that with him since he's like 12 years old. >> Dang, dude. And I'm just like on one side it's scary, you know, if you have that mindset of like >> you know of all the crazy ████ out there, but the other side you're like >> this kid other became a world champion because there was someone in his like dude that's pretty cool. >> It sucks that my mind has to first go to >> you trying to ████ kiss my kid, >> you know? Like >> I know as soon as you say that I'm like is he sucking him off in the hotel or something? >> Exactly. That's what blows my mind is that there's so much surveillance now and technology like what you know how they're taking photos of DACA sending them to you. There's so much more stuff to monitor your kid, but it feels riskier now. >> What do you mean riskier? >> The climate. >> The climate feels riskier. It just feels like there's so many like predators.
13:26 >> Yeah. Didders. Yeah. >> And you're like, where did they come from? >> It's cuz of the news, man. Cuz you're seeing it everywhere >> and all the streamers catching them every day >> and beating them upending. Cuz parents will send kids to school with ████ those Air Tag things, too. You know, just just to know exactly where the kid is. >> Wow. >> So, it it does feel like super hyper vigilant, but then at the same time, you're like with my eyes, it feels pretty safe, >> but then your anxiety is going is through the roof, though. >> But the craziest ████ is the highest stat and probability of them getting diddled is someone you know. It's not these ████ It's not kidnapped. It's it's ████ it's one of you ████ you know? It's like it's someone close to you. One time this uh my my dad's facial guy [laughter] >> the well put >> no this guy that works for my dad that does facials. He's he's he's gay. >> Okay.
14:16 >> Not that it's like it's fine. But he was I was 13 and he invited me to go on a helicopter ride. >> Wa >> just me. >> Okay. >> And my my my dad was like ████ no you're not ████ going. But I want to but it's a free when is the next time I get a free helicopter ride? >> That's extreme though. >> That's the Vietnamese dilemma. >> Yeah. Have you ever hung out with him onetoone besides the helicopter? >> Never. I've only saw him in passing >> at the nail salon. >> Did you end up going? >> I really wanted to go, but my dad didn't let me cuz he said he's going to make you gay or something. >> He said that. [laughter] >> He said he's going to >> Oh my god, dude. >> What if he's just a nice gunk? >> But it's weird that he I have brothers. You know what I mean? Like it's weird that he was like >> But maybe he knew you liked helicopters or something through another conversation. >> I've never brought up hel I don't even know what that is. That's one of those. It feels sus cuz like it's so powerful
15:06 of an offer. Helicopter to a kid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Kids like Yes. >> It's like a perfect lure. >> You're in the air. You can't No one can hear you. >> Why can't he just take you for ice cream and work up to a helicopter? >> Yeah. He He worked He worked too hard. >> Land activities first. Helicopter is crazy, right? >> When you said no, did he still go by himself? >> I'm not sure. Imagine. He's like, "Okay, well, there never was one." [laughter] So, but I I don't know. But it was just kind of crazy. >> But that was like as a kid you're like, "Oh my god, yes. >> ████ yeah, >> man. You might have dodged a a good one there." >> Yeah. But it was someone my dad knew. >> But what was the worst that could happen? He like grabbed you a little bit. >> Probably finger off the butt or something. >> You still get a free helicopter. >> That's true. Ah. He's spitting me on his the helicopter. >> He's like, "You're the helicopter. [laughter] You're the helicopter."
15:56 >> Oh, what if it's code for something, >> right? Hey ████ >> Oh no. >> Have you you seen that right where a guy sticks his dick in the butt and then does a rotation? >> I've never seen that. >> It's called the helicopter maneuver. I've seen it on on the internet. >> I have to look it up. Yeah, that's that's ████
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