0:00 Have a conversation, Steve. Join the conversation. Don't make it a bit for a second. Don't make it Don't make it a bit for one second. All right, I'm going to ask this to Anthony. He's going to explain to us once and for all because over his birthday weekend thing there was like some funny stuff when I was like talking to some of the Kinjas, right? And I don't know if they were just drunk and saying this stuff, but I I did want to ask you privately, but instead I I think publicly would be more fun. Do you feel Do you honestly feel Okay, this is a real thing. I'm not trying to make set you up to be slammed on. Do you really think that JK has in any way negatively affected the reputation of Kinjas? >> Yes. >> Really? >> But don't you believe Wait, like genuinely? >> All publicity is good publicity? >> Genuinely? >> Genuinely. Yeah. >> Wow.
0:50 >> Um >> Is that what the other Kinjas told you? >> I don't know. I I don't know. >> Open up about it? >> Ah, this is [snorts] such a stupid conversation. Um Yeah, I think I think on like the like the genuine percentage scale over time, uh it's for Kinjas specifically, I don't think there's a very clear like Oh, dude, this is arguably positive. >> Do you not think that JK made Kinjas more relevant? >> No. I think I think JK made me more relevant. >> It's like >> And I think that uh there were moments, especially in the JK Films era, where it was complimentary to the momentum that was building at the time. Especially when you're in the YouTube generation, uh the hustle content culture, the collaboration in order to find fans that were actually converting. When you collaborated with people, there
1:41 was a conversion rate and stuff like that. >> it go downhill for you? >> Uh honestly, I think probably the start of the Careful Boys era. Yeah. >> Like when it >> years ago? >> What What specifically happened that you thought was like Oh, that's a hit. >> Uh I don't blame JK. I think number one, that was the most sensitive time of people's like uh like their transgressions with social media and content and people. It was a transitionary period during COVID. People became both keyboard warriors and overly woke sensitive people at the same time. So >> Oh, okay. >> particular type of content that we were putting out even if it never changed, the perspective of it wasn't as favored. >> How they took it was different. Yeah, yeah. >> And I think at that exact like unnecessarily perfect cocktail of inconvenience for me was time that the most liberal left woke version of
2:32 perspective came from maybe like our dance industry. Yet at the same time that was overly com- combative with like the authentic nature of us just being honest with ████ which which is also why privately, by the way, so many actual people who are influential in the dance world or whatever, privately were willing to hit me up and be like, "I'm so glad you guys are making this content. It's so dope to just be seeing real ████ people being honest about stuff and blah blah blah." And yet publicly they would never be able to support stuff. >> Oh, okay. >> We're in that era. So I don't blame JK at all. I love JK to my I'll ████ kill anybody for JK. The point is >> Really? Damn, dude. >> Absolutely. Because because for me personally, my my personal life journey is like you're telling me that if I never had JK, my entire social media or
3:24 performative life even is like all you know about me is like my artistic expression, which is completely honest. >> But also >> Wiggling around. >> Yes, but also very like one-sided. >> Yeah. >> I can only I The only reason why I do that is because I can't say that feeling. >> No one gets to know the real Anthony. >> Yeah. And and even if that's a better me it's and it's not an honest me, it's like that's tough. That's tough for me to cope with. You know, maybe that's a better more heroically great version of me that like if I only was that never said stuff to people I would be a better person than I am. Well, unfortunately that's not the most honest version so I have to be real with that. Kinjas as a brand got super super dunked on by you guys like 90% of the time. So like yeah it's I can't I can't say no I don't I don't blame Bart either. I I can't say >> Bart. I love Bart. >> hateful even though he's 99%
4:15 >> Wait wait wait wait. >> [laughter] >> I'll leave it started it. >> I did it once or twice. >> I just >> But but Steve evolved it. >> But it's not it's not about outward >> [laughter] >> I'm not even saying it's about outward >> I yes anded I yes anded. >> It's not even about outward clout and perspective. It's about like sometimes internally other Kinjas would receive or see stuff from JK fans and stuff and then be upset and think that I was disservicing our crew. >> Can I just genuinely say I wasn't backing us up online enough. People were talking ████ and I didn't go ████ you Steven. >> If I could pay for your Patreon where I could be in the room when these ████ are reading that ████ and getting internalizing [laughter] this ████ about KINJAS I WOULD PAY EVERYTHING. I'D PAY IT ALL. I HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE I WOULD liquidate it for this ████ >> [laughter] >> Because you don't have a family and a crew to back you.
5:05 >> No I do. >> YEAH SO INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE >> [laughter] >> THEY FIND THEY FIND joy in other people's pain when because they're lonely and they're insecure and they don't have their family. But I'm your family Steve. I've been behind you the whole time. That's the whole point. Whereas my own crew that would constantly randomly hear random fans be like Kinjas is gay 9/11 this blah blah blah blah blah. >> Kinjas is gay? I didn't even know that one. >> They they would get that you guys didn't even win. You got you know what I'm saying? >> Oh oh yeah without the context >> No context JK fans would come in and I I love them regardless. That's unconditional but I also still had to face the brunt of people being like why the ████ is Anthony letting this happen cuz he's a he's our >> Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. He's our leader. Why is he taking it up the ass on JK? >> Yeah, and and yeah, I took it up the ass because I love you guys, but they don't love you. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:55 >> Like we don't even know each other. >> not true cuz I was at Ryan's wedding and there's a lot of Steve heads and >> No, they they don't like you that much. >> There's like 30 other members we have never met. >> It's cuz I convinced them that you're okay. >> No, can I just genuinely say, I think if you brought me to any Kinjaz meet up thing, I'd probably have a ████ meet and greet OUT THE DOOR. >> [laughter] >> NO, THE LEGEND. >> NO, the honest thing that I get the most from the Kinjaz, which again, I just got from Ryan's wedding, which is so funny, is like, I can't believe how ████ much you have made making fun of Anthony Lee so funny. And I'm like and I'm like, oh, thank you very much. >> Absolutely number one thing you get. That's the greatest thing you've ever gotten from Kinjaz. >> From Kinjaz, yeah, sure. >> No, you know what it is? They see a dedication of love because they they respect me
6:45 and yet they're going like, how come this dumbass got tattoos with all these other >> Yeah, fair. >> And it's like >> Fair. >> they must be cool, but they keep dogging on him, but uh he knows what he's doing, so I guess >> Yeah, we dog on you so hard that we call you things like sex haver. We we say things like we we do entire videos like is Anthony the most attractive man on the world? [clears throat] Like we really just kill you, I guess. >> Okay, don't. >> [laughter] >> Let's Let's disregard throwing noodles. Let's disregard throwing noodles in the trash can, calling me shoe cobbler, and saying all of my work comes down to car dealerships. >> By the way, DO YOU NOT THINK YOU LIKE SHOE COBBLER? YOU LIKE SHOE COBBLER. You put it on the ████ JK Films website. You like it. >> Let me ex- Let me accept all the glory and then not hear all the rest of it. Not a big deal. Not a big deal. Let's Let's not Let's not think about
7:36 the times where sometimes I have to stop a video by yelling child. >> Fair. By the way, nobody else can talk. This is just me and Anthony in the video, okay? >> But if you But if we're going to have that serious conversation, then let's have let's have the honest conversation. How many times I've had to defend JK on the on the basis of like, "No, guys, they're they're my friends, though." >> That's you really be saying stuff like that, exactly? >> Yeah, I have before because some people who don't know you guys are like, "That's a bad look." >> They know this is like a comedy channel. It's like sarcasm and stuff. >> Sarcasm doesn't mean it's a good look. >> But do dancer brains not form the same way as a >> Yeah, they don't form the same way. You're right, dancers are stupid. So, let's get past that. Do you guys honestly think every single time has been a great look? You're asking me a question. Well, >> are you actually offended genuinely? >> No, cuz I'm I show up. The point is if you're going to ask me a question, let's
8:26 have the conversation. Do you guys think every ████ time was actually positive for me? Cuz you guys are ████ ████ if it's a yes. >> If he finds it offensive, I'm asking if he >> Yeah, I'm not saying that what I what my question is is when they see you on a comedy show, it's like if you see like Ariana Grande or something on in SNL, >> Yeah. >> they wouldn't take anything that happened seriously. >> Right. >> You say you say, let's say Tom Brady goes on the Roast of Tom Brady. You think that those roasts aren't still roasts? >> No, he got roasted hard. >> the guys of comedy, it's like everything's fully acceptable even though that was the most embarrassing thing that was published here. >> Yeah, but calling you a shoe cobbler is not real. >> JK News has not always been the Roast of Anthony Lee. It just is. >> It just got better with it. >> [snorts]
9:16 >> Have a conversation, Steve. Join the conversation. Don't make it a bit for us. >> What's the conversation? >> Just make it Don't make it a bit for us. >> I'm actually not. You know what's funny is I'm actually not. >> I know. That's that's the difference in our conversation. I know I love you still. I'm just saying that's the difference in the conversation. You know what I >> Because you know that I'm not actually joking about that. >> I know, and I know that you love me more than most. So, I don't actually get offended, but some people don't know. >> Yeah, yeah, fair, fair. >> If you know the total >> Yeah, so when he's asking me that when he's asking me that, I'm just honestly answering. Yeah, yeah. But, I'm going to show up every week because I know you guys and I love you guys and it's never going to be a question of me. I'm ████ tatted, brother. >> Cuz my question stems from like he knows the context behind everything we say. They don't. And the fans do. But, they're they're only seeing it
10:06 under a different lens. >> of like ████ Kinjaz out of nowhere, it's funny to us. >> Which which happens more than you GUYS EVEN KNOW. >> CUZ THEY all say, "Hey, Steve, read ████ Kinjaz." all the time. >> Because you guys started it is the craziest thing. >> Also, the their comments are full of the 9/11 gif. >> Still? >> Yes, ████ >> Wait, you put it on the Careful Boys website splash page. >> If you can't run away from something, starting to try If If I kept trying to run away from it, I will lose harder. You think I didn't learn that after year three of JK? >> If he had done what they were hoping he would do, which is like defend himself, he would've been buried, dude. >> Why do you think I say I'm gay every episode? >> The splash page would've been him doing some gay Kinjaz post. [laughter] >> I literally tell you guys I'm gay every episode. You know why? Because everybody
10:57 says I'm gay anyway. So >> Wait, wait. You said come out in 2026, all 2025, you never came out. >> I've been sucking dicks since 2024. That's why. It's been a lot. I don't give a ████ But, that's the problem. I got so desensitized to trying to hang with you guys that what I do here, a a a fraction of it is so inappropriate from the world I come from. >> Let me ask you something though, like okay, so >> That's why I also dislike the world that I come from though. But, be honest with that. >> Aside from like having to kind of be the middle man and explain, right? Have you actually had outside consequences like losing ████ deals or like people coming after you in a dance dance world from outside because of what you said in JK or like >> Explicitly on fact, I can never confirm anything. I have no idea. If I were to indirectly make an assumption, if I were to indirectly make an assumption, I would assume yes.
11:49 >> Like you lost like sponsorships or trip to China >> Cuz they're probably not going to tell them that. >> be real, too. He's probably made I mean, he makes money coming here. So like if it gets extracted from Kinjaz, like he'll never know. Also, he he realizes a financial reality here, too, which is good. >> Which is good. Showed up to complain about it. Nah, you know what I mean? This We're in conversation cuz he asked me, but like I don't I don't measure that ████ against my value. >> That'd be weird. That'd be weird. >> I come here cuz I like it. I do what I do cuz I like it. I don't think about it and go to sleep and wonder ████ and and ████ try to measure the value. >> How do you rationalize it to the others who will ask you, "Yo, why you let them say that ████ about Kinjaz?" Like how do you What do you say to them to make them believe, "Dude, it's ████ fine." >> Give me my phone number. 858-231- >> [laughter] >> Um
12:39 I think that's twofold because like the the like homie homie in me is like, "Are you really bothered by that?" >> Okay. All right, but you don't want to invalidate how they feel. >> Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. The other side of me goes like it's my fiduciary duty to not do something on behalf of Kinjaz that negatively affects your reputation. So I I it is my duty to recognize and respond to that in kind as well. And if I'm doing something that actually is like like not good for our brand, I have to combat that. >> What Have you ever left here and been like, "F███, I really ████ Kinjaz pretty bad today." What what day was that and can you tell us? >> A lot of days. I don't know how to call. >> But can you just give us one? And don't do a whole podcast about it or whatever. Like don't do like 90 minutes. >> Maybe today? Like you right now? Oh, you think? Okay.
13:29 But like can you set an example? Like truly. >> I feel like whenever we talk about China, Anthony starts >> [laughter] >> I think I think talking about China, yeah. >> But they're serious about >> He jobs on China quite a bit, I have to say. >> [laughter] >> They're watching this right now. He He does it quite a bit. >> I I I think um in terms of like uh my life's joy and what like makes me who I am, I will never question my my bond with you guys and the shared experiences. I think if we're talking purely on like the positive momentum that JK brings to Kinjaz, I think that is a net zero right now. >> I I have to dis- I just disagree.
14:20 >> I can see that. >> I just I just completely disagree because I met so many Steve heads at Ryan's wedding. I'm like, how could this be bad for Kinjaz? >> There was only like two members. >> No, there was a bunch. >> Who are you talking about? >> He knows. >> But I'll still show up every day cuz I'm a writer. I'm a ████ Look, on per capita per capita of ink for my cruise, this is how much ink I have for Kinjaz and this is how much ink I have for the careful boys. So like look, it is what it is. I am what I am. If any At the same time, if Kinjaz were to give me a ship for this, it was like I'd be I'd I'd try my best to hear them and I'll try my best to respond cuz I love them and I'll do everything I can. That's the same thing as if I was sitting here and you guys wanted me to do something, I will try my best and I'll do my best as as best I
15:10 can. I don't know where I'm going to land. So it is what it is. Like I ride for my people. I love my people. It is what it is. >> Okay. >> I just wish I I just wish you wrote harder for JK. >> [laughter] [sighs] >> Do you think this is why you shouldn't be a double agent for both CIA and Mossad?
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