0:00 So, remember when I was telling you guys about those Vietnamese twins that one guy went to jail for murder and they didn't actually know which twin it was, but I couldn't tell you all the details? >> Yeah. >> Well, I know those guys and I couldn't tell the details at the time until their podcast just came out where they talk about all of it and this story is freaking crazy. >> Well, hurry up. Tell me, what is it? >> So, basically what happened was these two Vietnamese twins um basically named like uh An and Chung, right? They they live up in uh you know, Northern California area and they they just get into like the regular Vietnamese American Northern California gang violence type of life situation. Uh they get into this gang violence type stuff. They're actually in two separate gangs as they're growing up cuz they're trying to constantly like one-up each other.
0:51 They got each other's back. They like have the same half-brain type thing where they're like twins about stuff, but at the same time they're like trying to trying to be themselves, trying to like find themselves. Uh so >> Rival gang? >> Not rival, just different gang. >> You think they ever gang swap? They're like, "I'm too tired to go on my drive-by today." And he goes, "I'll go for you." And then he's like, he just wears his colors and he goes on, you know. >> I don't think they did cuz that's just a lot of danger for no reason. >> But I can tell you what caused that. You know how like when you have twins usually moms make them wear the same clothes. >> Yeah. >> They're ████ tired of that ████ >> So, these guys are like that though. These guys are like that they since birthday were like wearing the same clothes like all the time type stuff. >> Same clothes. So, they're like, "You're going to be a Blood. I'mma be a ████ because I'm ████ tired of wearing the same ████ all ████ day." >> Yeah, so they're 18 years old. Um they end up uh rolling up to this party in
1:41 San Jose in like 2014 time. Some fight happens in the front yard. Uh one of the guys uh has a knife on him and before and and you know, the other guys are drunk and stuff like that. They're actually trying to get out and like not get into a fight though. So, they go out to the front yard, or so so is said in this podcast. And then, one of the one of the brothers is drunk, so the other brother is like, you know, I'm going to take this knife away from him, so nothing happens, you know, because I know s███'s going down, whatever. He doesn't want them to get in trouble. Next thing you know, he gets in trouble cuz something happened, and then now they start fighting. There was something about somebody touching some girl in this or punching a girl, hitting a girl. So, some Vietnamese guys start getting really really rowdy. There's a giant fight. The brother who took the knife away sees his brother getting in a fight, so he runs over there, pulls the knife out. >> Oh my god. Like me trying to stop a fight.
2:31 >> Yeah. >> Oh, man. >> Some ████ goes down. They run, they flee. Everybody just kind of bounces, and then next thing you know, this kid Richard Fan ends up dying like later on, or something like that. Gets stabbed and dies later on. >> Dang, man. >> And then, you know, police try to investigate. So, one by one, slowly, you know, nobody nobody really is like familiar. They come to this party kind of uninvited and stuff like that, but there's a distinct feature. They're twins. But nobody knows which one. So, eventually the cops roll up on these twins, and eventually they they you know, they're kids, they're 18. They do something that is pretty dumb, and they kind of panic. They take the bloody clothes, they take the bloody stuff, whatever that was that was in the car that got stained or whatever. You know, they're they're burning ████ they're throwing evidence on top of the chucking
3:22 their textbooks have blood on it from the back of the car on top of the roof and stuff. One of the brothers like takes the knife, drives it out like 40 minutes out into like the just the mountainside, chucks the knife. Now, they're also just on the hook eventually for throwing away and destroying evidence and stuff, too. But, we still have an issue. Like, they're identical twins, and so nobody actually knows who did what thing. >> You can't even do DNA? >> Yeah, that's true. >> So, eventually there's a lineup. >> think dogs can smell twins apart? >> Oh. >> I feel like yeah. I feel like they live with them. They smell different. I know they have to smell different at that level. Thank you for interrupt that was very important question. >> You're welcome. >> Anyways, so eventually what happens is and you know the only thing that they have together that they know is that they're just like don't say ████ Don't rat the other person out. That's the only thing that they understand. >> And let's go back to wearing the same clothes again.
4:13 >> [laughter] >> You know, eventually there's a lineup because some some witnesses like oh I'm sure I could identify them, right? So what happens is like the first twin out of like a five-person lineup or some ████ walks through. Naturally this person is like that's the one. Right? Ironically via the podcast uh that is the one, right? >> Oh ████ >> But they ain't rat each other out. They see another person and another person and then the other twin is there. And that person is like my mistake. It's that one for sure. >> Oh. >> And they're like are you sure? And they're like no no for sure it was that one. So then that brother gets arrested. >> On one eyewitness? >> On the eyewitness testimony on that. >> This ████ was crazy back then. >> And the craziest thing is right right before they even got into that lineup where there was a a witness, um they believed that the correct
5:05 brother who was innocent was innocent. They assumed that the correct brother who did the thing did the thing. So they had one go to like county jail, they had one go to like state or whatever the ████ And they were in holding cells and like detention facilities like that. And then eyewitness testimony came in. They did the the the lineup. The brothers saw each other real quick and then they got switched. The other one went to county, the other one went to state. So they didn't have no idea what happened. It's crazy. Now here's the crazy part though. All they knew without enough information was that we're not going to rat each other out type ████ >> Yeah. >> They didn't know how long it was going to happen. So the brother who didn't commit the crime ends up staying in jail for 2 years. >> Oh, ████ >> Cuz the other brother for whatever reason, for however how long, couldn't come forward. He's the
5:55 only one who had the ability to be like, "Actually, it was me." to get his brother out. But in whatever version >> But he says he's not going to write himself out. So, twins are like, "That's like writing myself out." >> In whatever dynamic that cuz I the I I'm pretty sure also in the beginning there was like a lot of like uncertainty, a lot of like, "We've got to figure this out." Like, "Maybe there's still a trial. Maybe we you know, like >> Is the innocent twin now mad at the guilty twin? >> By the 2 years >> Yeah. Like, "My ████ why didn't you say some s███?" >> But being mad at the person was the most they would do. It wasn't mad enough to be like, "It was him, though." >> Yeah. >> It was just like a, "Yo, you're the only one who can get me out, dude. You know you have to." And he's like, "Dude, I just I need more time. I can't. I'm not Like, it was it was one of those dynamics for whatever reason. >> But you think he could do the other time
6:45 cuz they're twins? So, it's like, "Hey, how about you share 1 year and then you do the other year?" >> So, that's what was actually more popular in terms of what people thought the story was, that they couldn't tell them apart. So, they just served a single person. So, that's actually what I had heard by rumor as well until this podcast came out. And then I was like, "Yo, I don't know all these details. That's crazy." >> That's crazy. The innocent one served the time. >> But it wasn't until that other one who was out was also still so involved with so many like terrible things and stuff, too. Once, you know, life just kind of got really, really turned upside down, there was like a very clickety-click moment of just me and being like, "Yo, like I need to I need to go like do the one thing I can do that's correct." >> So, after 2 years, that's when he confessed? >> Yeah. And then his brother was able to finally come out. But his life was still ████ after coming out because you can't just come out of prison even You
7:37 know what I'm saying? And then on top of that, too, you come out, you still look like the guy you know, who's in a gang. Like >> I literally look like the guy. >> Yeah, so like there was still so many It's a really interesting pod. I encourage everybody go look it up. >> That's so ████ No, don't tell me go there. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Stay here. >> Our take on the podcast will be better. >> But the reason why I bring this up or or why it was crazy especially why it was crazy back then that I I'd heard about this and I brought it up is because these two guys are like my they're my COUSIN COUSINS. >> HUH? >> DAMN. >> THEY'RE your >> Did you know about it? >> That's what I'm saying. I had heard about it. >> Oh my god. >> Their mom lived with my mom. So my mom was the first of the youngest of what is like seven brothers or mainly sisters, right? And then she has two stages cuz you know in Asia we call it like I call you them the fifth one basically. Um and she my mom was the only one who lived in
8:28 California and then like she sponsored my auntie to come over by herself. So my auntie left those kids who I had met as like infant infants. Like I'm talking like I held them like over the street like while they were peeing and stuff like that and like get out >> rural villages in Vietnam when I went to visit in like '97 type stuff. >> Like she came over and she lived with us. I was actually really bitter because she took my room. You know, we only had like I had my room, my sister had her room. So she took my room cuz she now lived with us for an indefinite amount of time. I was like I don't remember how long. I as a kid it was ████ forever. You know, cuz I didn't have a room anymore. So I just sleep downstairs and stuff. But anyways, um that mom that mom had like like she she moved up to San Jose. >> I knew it San Jose. >> The family came over and then we had heard that this had happened. But we were like, "What?" They what? >> So you in between you never really hung
9:18 out or talked to them? >> Like we know them, you know. >> Like distant cousins. >> But first cousins still. >> Yeah. >> And like like definitely they're they're also just a lot younger than us, right? You know, at least like 10 years type stuff. Um so it was just it was just I was their older cousin from like afar. >> So one of the twins went on a podcast and talked about it? >> Both of them went on there. >> Together? >> He actually sent it to me. He was like, "Yo, man. I want I want you to check this out." >> And the other one is out too now? >> They're both out now. It's over like like you know, they're doing they're doing decent considering the circumstances. Like one of them went and ended up going into like, you know, speaking on things like this like, you know, counseling therapy. >> You know what I think you should do? I think you should help them start the Twinjas. >> Twinjas? And then teach them how to dance. He goes, "We used to be in prison, but not anymore." >> And we're not going to rat on each other anymore.
10:08 >> We never ratted, but I ratted on myself to get my brother out. >> [laughter] >> I think that's nice. >> He already has Twinjas. >> Who's Twinjas? Who you got? >> We have twins on the Kinjas called Twinjas. >> [laughter] >> No, but these are the >> That's the >> These are Twinjas. >> the real ones, yeah. >> These are real tin Twinjas. >> [laughter] >> How about like maybe like Penjas? Cuz like they they they went to the state penitentiary. So, Penja Penjas. >> They say, "How about Jailjas?" >> Oh, I got a Kinjails. >> Jailbirds. >> [laughter] >> He's completely took out any reference. Just a shoe brand. >> Wait, that's Allbirds. >> So, you've been talking to them and stuff? >> I've been chatting to I mean, you know, one of one of the um one of the twins, he just got married in Vietnam. Yeah, yeah. They invited me out to the wedding and stuff. >> That's cool. >> Is it the right one though? You can't
10:58 trust these ████ [laughter] one bit. >> Yeah, yeah. It was it was quote-unquote the right one, but you know. >> Can you have one of them get a permanent mole tattoo so we know which one it is? >> I think one of them does have one. That's That's how it's more distinct. It's easier to tell when you like grow up with them or you know them, right? You see them all the time type stuff. But like if you don't like you how do you identify, right? But it's one of those things where sure, call me call me biased because you know, we're family. But uh you know, like what would you do if you saw your twin brother just getting ████ destroyed too, right? Like obviously, you don't want to kill somebody, but like, you know, you just >> You're going to jump in no matter what, yeah. >> I think it's dumb to take out a knife, obviously, and like, you know, we feel so bad for the for the victim and their family and stuff. >> Yeah, I wouldn't have stabbed a vital area. >> 100 Well, I mean, >> [laughter] >> I wouldn't have stabbed, you know?
11:49 >> You could stab. >> You're crazy. >> But you can't You got nowhere to stab, man. >> But you're teenagers, you're probably not thinking of You're just swinging that knife around. You're not sure You're not surgical with it. >> Yeah, if you ████ You got to pay the price. It's just like, "Oh my god, this fool let his his his brother pay the price for like a couple years." And it's like it's it's hard because they're twins. So, it's the most unique, like, you know? >> Yeah, you're harboring this guilt that your brother is in and you're like, "F███, he didn't even do it." >> Can you imagine you're like jumping a guy and then you get stabbed in the back and you're like, "I thought I was ████ you up." Like, "Oh, s███." You know, you're like, "Bop, bop, bop." AND YOU'RE LIKE, "OW." AND YOU TURN around and then this guy's holding a knife. You're like, "Oh, but I was beating you. How did you get behind me?" >> You're like, "Damn, this fool >> It's like an anime. >> It's a hologram. >> Yeah, I would've been tripping out, dude. I'm like, "I was just ████ you
12:40 up." >> Kage Bunshin. >> Yeah. And you're like, "OW, MY [screaming] BACK. I GOT A KNIFE IN MY BACK. YOU." >> [laughter] >> YOU LOOK back at the log with smoke around it. >> Yeah.
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