0:00 With the rise of manosphere content everywhere, I wanted to see if you guys felt that these teachings were helpful. Maybe not for you, but are they helpful in general? I'll go over a couple of these just to refresh your memory. The opposition to feminism, like believing that feminism is actually doing more harm than good. >> Hello. >> Being >> [laughter] >> being in control of your emotions more, like the stoicism Anthony was talking about the other day, prioritizing physical strength and fitness, financial success, um and uh and and knowing that like I guess the system is is uh being rigged against you dating-wise. >> I think most of these are um plaguing the white or western culture cuz I think a lot of things that happen in Asian even Asian-American, um it's a blend,
0:51 right? And white people will consider our culture toxic masculinity. >> Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Even if we're blending a little bit of western, a little bit of like eastern, like and also like So like I think that a lot of black people, white, you know, people that are fully fully American and they don't have any ties to the old world, I I think they have to listen to this stuff because they got their dicks chopped off. >> Mhm. >> So like for us, it's naturally like in our culture to kind of blend into trad roles. Like even like I think Latin and like, you know, like and then like, you know, in like hardcore liberalism, they have this snobbery of like minorities don't really count in having to conduct themselves like us >> Yeah. >> because we're the educated ones. They're going to act like animals cuz they're not educated.
1:41 >> the unracist racist thing. >> Right, right. So it comes from that of like we're not going to teach our men to be aggressive. We're going to teach them to be a certain way, whatever. And then so they're the kids that were raised with, "You're a toxic white man. You're this, whatever." We We're not raised that way. So, we didn't get um any of that ████ dick chopped off stuff. Whereas like these white boys, all of them >> the time by these things. >> they're being taught, "You're wrong. You're You're a man. What >> You're evil. You're innately bad. Yeah. >> black guys, whatever like that grew up fully Western, right? And then they they just feel like, "Dude, I'm I'm I'm wrong." >> Yeah. >> And then so when they watch this content, they go, "I got to I have to feel like it's okay to be a man." Whereas like there is no question in our
2:32 communities of There's There's nothing toxic about being the like head earner and taking care of your wife. There's nothing toxic about that, right? So, like I just think that a lot of this ████ doesn't transfer into Asians, like subculture of Asian-American. There's We still do the gender role ████ Like a lot of Asian women still work, but then when they decide to have kids or whatever, they're like, "You know what? I want to be a stay-at-home mom." And that's not to dem That's not to make her feel beneath anybody. It still happens in our culture. Whereas like maybe white women feel bit like it's it's they're now they're devalued because they're not a boss ████ >> Okay. >> whole boss ████ life, all that stuff, the women empowerment stuff, like that's very prevalent in white people. But not >> Yeah. >> Like Asians are just like, "Yeah, like
3:22 being a female entrepreneur, there's nothing different Like they've been doing that in China. You know what I mean? Like being industrious, having a mom-and-pop shop, or like a woman like owning property, that's not like, "Wow, that's unique." >> own business on Google Maps in Japan. >> [laughter] >> You know what I mean? They don't need to do that cuz it's like you already had entrepreneurs >> It's like common sense already that yeah. >> There's a Chinese lady that runs a restaurant. That's her business. >> Yeah. >> No one questions it is what I'm saying. >> Uh yeah. >> No one goes, "Oh my god, a woman that owns a business." >> [laughter] >> No No one does that. >> All women need to eat here and support it. >> Yeah, they don't need to make it a They don't need to make it a thing. Cuz Asians are just like, "Oh, she has a business." We're We're industrious. We're business people, right? But it doesn't make her >> That's true. It doesn't matter. >> need to do this whole "I'm I'm independent boss b████" ████ She's just
4:14 an entrepreneur. That's it. >> So, for the people that are affected by these things, like the like the uh I guess the Americans you're thinking of, do you think this is a helpful tool for them to fight back these like kind of feelings that are being forced upon them? >> it's delivered in a very angry, negative way. >> The manosphere teachings? >> the problems exist. >> Yeah. >> It's like people that are like, "Hey, like no one wants to talk about this. No one wants to talk about male loneliness um male men like doing really horribly in school. Like, you know, and then like uh there's no services for them. Or like when, you know, during divorce, they're like they get the ████ end of the stick. Or whatever, there's like actual issues happening that they're kind of like, "Help or let's talk about it."
5:04 And then so since no one's doing it cuz it's taboo to do it, it goes into this "Well, ████ you then. This is how we're going to solve it." And I think to me, the way I see it is like you have all these troubled youth teenagers. There's a cry for help. If no one helps these boys out, they're going to go to one of the guys that they think are taking care of them, Big Brother. What ends up happening? They're going to start joining a gang. And And then this guy gives them attention, and he's going to give them money, and now he feels like, "Hey, I have a group. I belong. People love me. I have my bros. You know, now I get respect." And I'm like, "That's what this is creating." Because we're not serving this group. Yeah, but I think the problems are correct. Like not correct, I mean the problems exist, but since there's no one
5:55 talking about it in a helpful way, it's only one solution. >> Yeah, that that's the same as like you know, you've got like your Bible, which is apparently like written the same way over like centuries, but put in different people's hands, somebody who's maybe just like seeking faith or like lonely in the heart versus like somebody who takes it to an extremism, you know, and like will go to war for religion and do their crusades like we were talking about earlier. It's not to say that the information or the the concept of what is being spoken about there or the knowledge or the whatever is like a an evil thing. It just depends on who's the prophet sharing that thing. Who's the person who's kind of like kind of the conduit for that message, and I think it's obviously Andrew Tate is a very Yeah, right. He's like polarizing as well. So, it's like that's what makes it
6:45 a more difficult Anything extreme for the good or the non-profit, you know what I mean? Like we have every version of good and bad in every version of anything that's big or extreme or has a lot of money in it. So, like I just think that it's one of those it's like the concept I get like Joe was explaining. I think he explained it really well, especially as an Asian. It's like It's like I don't get I don't look at this and I'm like, "Oh man, I needed to hear this." Like it does it does nothing for me genuinely. I'm more like duh, like you're talking about personal health or like finances or like trying to be the man of the house. I'm like, "I told you okay." That's not new. But like the, you know, sticking up for yourself a certain way because feminism did this or blah blah blah. Like that stuff's like that's like an experience. Like somebody might be going through that. I'm not going through that experience. So, I'm like, "Oh, I can see
7:36 how this can potentially galvanize a certain group of people that might become more like extremely indoctrinated to a mentality that is like a little bit more loud and aggressive because it's feeling it's combating a more extreme version and anything two extremes becomes friction somewhere. That's all. I think this is an extreme example of something even if to some people it's like a great thing. >> When I see the type of people that get into this stuff, right? Like there's extremes in both ways. You got these hardcore feminist influencers, you got these hardcore like right-wing guys all them. I don't really see that many Asians because I don't think that we have the same gender wars that they do. Like there's similar things, but it's not as extreme as them. As in like maybe general mainstream America, right? Where like Asian-Americanism is like a
8:27 subculture. Like we're we're kind of like if Mormons were Americans, but they're like their own little thing. So, [snorts] I think there's some people in the in our culture that might like fit into this stuff, but like his audience like or the red pill guys or like whatever. >> They're not Asians. >> No, they're not Asians. >> No, yeah. They're more often white guys, yeah. >> Also cuz we're pretty lucky that a lot of because of our culture a lot of it is figured out. So, if you have like two white guys at the at a co-worker place, right? They go out to eat. They need to figure out who's going to pay for or they're going to split it or whatever. And if you go a little bit more extreme, if you have two co-workers from Korea go out to eat, they just know the older one's going to pay for it. It's already figured out. So, I think a lot of these dynamics because it's been figured out for a thousands of years and it works.
9:17 There's things that are like it works so well, why even question it or break it? So, if you know that though the older is going to take care of it and when you should become older, you take care of the whole family and then later on once you get married, you pass out the red envelope. There's like this whole thing of who you need to become. You're not going like, "Who do I need to become?" You already know who you need to become. So, when you know you need to become this person, this man of the house, or the woman of the house, and eventually this these are the roles you're going to have, and that it makes a very cohesive family and a cohesive society. You've seen it happen over and over and over. Yeah, a lot of that stuff I think you see it and you go, "Oh, I kind of see where they're coming from." But, it's it's not something that I need to immediately do because I think I kind of know what I need to do already. >> think it's because black and white Americans kind of hit that reset button? Well, not black people did it out of
10:08 they didn't have a choice, right? But, white Americans they hit the reset button, too. They willingly threw away European like tradition and but even now in Europe they threw away tradition. >> Like Norway? >> of these red pill guys are also Westerners, like as in like UK guys, whatever, right? So, like do you think something with Asian Americans it's like we we pick and chose or like cuz we're not fully like white guys where we threw away everything and then we're like fully adopted and assimilated? >> Yeah. >> Cuz like there's like fifth generation Japanese that I'm like, "You guys don't speak Japanese, but you guys are so Japanese still." >> They still operate Japanese. >> They still operate in that way. Yeah, big time. >> could be a look thing, too. Because like you could be a hundredth generation Japanese, you look Japanese, you're in a white neighborhood, you're You're not
10:59 going to be accepted. You're first generation Japanese to me. >> But, crazy thing would be like let's say you're Irish in Ireland and then they're facing this because they threw away their Irish culture. That's the crazy part. >> That is Yeah, that's crazy. >> Like cuz they're they're they have this identity gender crisis, whatever, because they're like "I'm trying to become this new person in this new world and I don't know what to do." >> I think a lot of it does have to do with feminism in the way that women of that same culture, let's say you have Irish men and women in America, right? So, they're like first gen American, second gen, third gen, fourth gen, fifth gen, throughout those generations, women have received so much direction on how to be in today's world, every generation. Men typically don't get a lot of that. They just get whatever their dads tell them and whatever else they kind of figure out. But women, feminism has brought
11:49 like a very centralized idea of like we're all going to be doing this now. We're all going to be saying no to these things and we're all going to be like rearranging the hierarchy. But dudes, I think this is the first time that guys have something that is in response to that in a way. Cuz I think feminism did go too far in a lot of ways. >> Well, I wonder why it worked so well in the West but not in Asia. Cuz a lot of these concepts they study in Asian universities and like there are, you know, like movements in Asia. Like, you know, like the females are getting more and more rights and whatever and they, you know, but like they adopted a lot of this stuff too, like voting in Western systems of government. But I'm like, why didn't it catch fire the way that it did here? >> Well, one of the ones, I guess one of the consequences of it is Japan and
12:39 Korea where all the chicks are also going to college and trying to be career driven and it's it's lowering the birth rate where like everyone wants to work and everyone wants to find their passion versus what happened to the family or the nuclear family. >> So they might not be like vocal, but like maybe that's their protest or like they're just they don't want to. They also have I think they it's like a kind of incentive thing to say. But I think the countries that care about the least have bigger problems. >> Yeah, China has a China doesn't have time for feminism. They have a huge, we have too many men and not enough wives to find problem. >> [laughter] >> Cuz of the one child policy. So they got to fix that ████ first. There's like you can't feminism when there's not enough women. There there's like we we don't have a people like there's men just won't have wives their entire lives. >> Or maybe in the West the women's rights were so bad that they had to react this way.
13:30 Cuz like, what if it was um >> So much worse than the rest of the world? >> Yeah, no, seriously. So, for example, right? >> What was that bad? >> Like an example of why feminism was like caught fire, I think, is like So, uh women couldn't have any like bank accounts or whatever, right? So, let's say your husband basically is the sole breadwinner, but a lot of these guys would go and blow their money on ████ alcohol and gambling. >> You talking about like in the early 1900s? >> Yeah. So, like >> The good old days. >> So, so during that time, they come home, they can't feed their ████ baby, and then they're like pushed to the corner. So, now they're like, "Well, ████ this s███." >> husband leaves and no one wants that woman now because in that time, yeah. >> So, like because there's no options, where in Asia, they always they could ████ make money. They could do There There's no like, you know
14:21 what I mean? Like there's no like um in the same way of like You're pushed to the corner, now you got to survive. Because of because this guy was your lifeline. I mean, it would I don't know, like, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, no, I get it. Same thing can happen today when the you get those guys that are like, "I don't want my woman to work." And then they get with this girl really young. She has no skills. By the time he's sick of her, she's out in the world and just can't get a job doing anything. Like that's that still exists today. >> Traditional in a Japanese household is that the guy works and then the woman takes care of the finances. The number one stock traders in Japan is called Miss Mrs. Nakamoto. That's like a funny name for like the top are all housewives because they take care of the retirement. They take care of the budgeting. They care They take care of
15:11 all that ████ >> But then what's So, what's stopping women from They can't do that in America today? Why does feminism need to stick up for them? Like >> Oh, I don't know. I don't know about that, yeah. >> I feel like the problem with the US is there's no single monoculture. So like whatever you're proposing, so long as everyone agrees is fine. Like Norway, they do they have pretty they have like equality and it works for the most part. Like it's way more left than here. But they all subscribe to it. So they're like, "Oh, okay. Like we'll Dutch everything. We'll split everything on the house, whatever." Like whatever's is working. But here like the reason why you have like the Tate pushback and it's like not everyone agrees with the feminism. Some people like, "All right, we're with this." But half of like, "No, actually we don't like any of that." >> But we're supposed to coexist with our differences, so let's just let whatever slide, but that also means we'll always be angry or we'll always be happy and that's the land of the freedom, right?
16:02 We we have the freedom to also be pissed off at everything that's happening. >> Because you have freedom, you always have tension. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I do still think that feminism was an overcorrection and manosphere is another overcorrection, in my opinion. I think I I don't I think it's just going to go like this. >> Calling something manosphere is a pretty strong start though. Like what brand are they >> what they're doing and I appreciate it. >> I think the the message is good. I don't think the goal is being met quite how they >> You think that manosphere is like slapping feminism enough though? >> [laughter] >> But both concepts feel like it's driven by a um like an attack space >> Yeah. >> versus like solutions based of like hey, let's make this a better world for everyone. >> Yeah. >> So it's more like how do I control or defend myself from this phenomenon. So this it's very boogeyman based, right? So like in both it's so simplistic to the point where manosphere is the reason why is because
16:53 women. And in the feminist is like the reason why is because patriarchy. It's such a stupid blanketed like it's just one. >> I just don't think people who ascribe to these so hardcore, either side, are really the people who would have dated each other if they didn't. Like if you look at the top manosphere guys, do you think they would date the top feminist women? They would have made the best couples, but yeah. Like I don't think I think these guys are like mad about something these women are mad about something and they would never meet either way. Like they're just instead >> What if they hate ████ each other? It was so good. Can we do 15 on it?
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