0:00 [Music] And welcome back everybody to another and today's last episode of the care. Don't do this to us. Why? Well, we're talking about The Last of Us Part Two. Guys, that zombie game. Please explain why everyone hates this girl. They say she looks like Buzz Lightyear. This is the blue hairs love her. Don't take it out of context, but this is a really this is really even tough and and it's it's really sad for me to say this, but a lot of people are throwing controversy just because of the way she like looks because she's supposed to play Ellie, right? Yes. Is this a live action movie or is it the game? This is the episode. Live action show. Okay. Okay. And spoiler alert if you don't know. All right. I think this is a huge This is a big deal. The dad
0:50 dies. The main character, one of the main characters, the dad dies. Let's just say his actor name so that we don't have Pedro Pomado or Pascal. The Mandalorian dies, dude. The Mandalorian, not Baby Yoda. And then and then here's here's the here's the honest truth. He carries the show in season one. And they're being very honest to the game. They're just following the game. If you play the last part part two, early in that game, he also gets killed off and they're like, "Did you guys play the whole game?" It was too scary for me. I played the first I played the first one. I played half of I heard about it cuz all gamers never shut the up about it. So why do they hate her besides how she looks? Do you feel like Do you feel like she can carry the show is the question? Can you show me what she looks like? She shoots a gun like a weirdo, I have to say. And she also fights like a weirdo. And she fights like a weirdo. And so no, but they did they did her a disservice
1:40 cuz she's a tiny chick and she's like beating up like huge dudes and stuff. Oh, her from Game of Thrones. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, she's on Game of Thrones. Lady Warmont. Yeah, Lady You know what's interesting too is like Pedro Pascal, he looks like Joel from the game. She doesn't really look like she doesn't look like Ellie because Ellie was after but they actually got sued over I thought that was Ellen Paige's like female version. They actually got sued over it and they had to like they had to pay a thing to Ellen Paige. No cuz it was such an obvious Ellen Paige like like a Juno. She was making Juno jokes and ████ and when they're doing animation stuff like that they pull references to like you know make ████ look a certain way but they just did too good a job. But I thought they did it because they they the voice actor was actually them. It wasn't her. Okay. No. So, which is what they should I mean in games they usually make the character look like Actually, uh I think the voice
2:31 actor in the game was a cameo in the actual episode. She plays the mom. She plays the mom of Ellie. Yeah, but they should have got Paige to do it. Elliot. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's probably could have done Here's here's the other thing that I think is like kind of um the kind of perfect storm for why it's also like difficult is a lot of people especially in Hollywood entertainment or or when you're watching it a lot of people get really upset when things feel like they're becoming woke for the sake of being woke. That's why especially from like like Disney like what they did to April O'Neal. Yeah. Like when something they made ugly. They needed she was like a sex symbol. Talk about like nerfing a character into oblivion. Yeah. No more titties. Like just ugly, bro. Why do they hate titties? What did they do? What' they do to our girl Laura Croft? Dude, they put Alicia Vicander in
3:21 there who I think is an AUP. My god, dude. I can't believe I can't She's pretty though. I can't believe this ████ Pretty. At least stuff the bra up or like use CG or something. We want ball up. Show us women's. Well, I mean, why why desexualize a character that was already originally looking like that? Laura Croft had Auffs when she was 6 years old. The original idea was why are you sexualizing them in the first place? That that was what it was. We're not sexualizing them. That was the point. What if So, so ████ someone who like they sexualize themselves. But that's like saying, "Oh, it's your fault. You're hot." Like, you better go desexualize yourself. No, I think the thing was like, why are they getting females that don't look physically fit to fight these guys? Like superhero. If they want to be realistic, no woman would beat a ████ ogre. Okay, so here here's most guys can't beat ogres. I think like I said, perfect storm, right? We're in
4:13 an era where, for example, uh when things get too woke, it becomes like people will just automatically fall off and it's insufferable. I have a question. It's not believable. Is this character like more woke than the her original character in the game? Yeah, they focused on the narrative of like the revenge story, but when you do it for a drama in an episode, you enhance it. And I get that from an acting point of view. But then the problem is if if a number of people don't ever play the games, then you're not thinking to yourself like this is the game. You're thinking like, damn, dude. Woke them back in Hollywood again. And you're just getting mad at it. Well, actually, so when the game came out, the sequel came out, it was attacked for being too woke. if you remember. Yeah, but that was also years ago. No, I know. But it was it was like
5:04 because people were like, "Wait, what?" They killed Joel off and then they made her a Ley and then they also made her I guess spoilies forgive the person who killed Joel off which everyone was like that is ████ whack. In the game they do that. Yeah. Yeah. instead of like so she does all this like work I guess to get to the person who killed her old man off which was like again everyone likes the show because the old man and the game and then and then she doesn't even do it and she's like like is like forgiven them and stuff and everyone's like I don't know if I don't know if you earned this. Is that a woke? So it's even way worse if you didn't play the game and you didn't know that that was going to go Yeah. So, it makes it look like it's just a Hollywood woke thing, but really the original game has all these elements as well. But even in the first uh game and the first season, there was like a
5:54 there was a one episode where it was just straight up like two gay dudes like having like a house and defending the house. Do you remember that one? That was probably actually one of the best episodes of that. You said the same thing. I didn't see it because Turn it off. Because because in the game they hint at this couple and you go to the house and stuff, but you never get to see the backstory. And in the show they show this is the backtory which is cool though probably. Yeah, exactly. Which is to me like I don't think that's a woke thing. It's actually a story thing, but I also think it's done like really really well in a in a certain way. And again, I don't want to like do discredit to like the actors. Um like but also like these girls still look young. So when you see them like go into that, it also maybe as a as an audience member makes you feel a little uncomfortable and it's not their fault, so to speak, but it's like when you're seeing like
6:44 that gay couple, they're like older and the way that that contrast there. Yeah. You believe it. It's a different kind of pain you feel. The problem with woke most times is that people just don't believe it. Like if I see a little girl beating up like 17 dudes, it's not doesn't represent real life. Yeah. Like, and unless unless I'm watching something that earned it, like when Hitgirl beat up a s███████ of dudes, everyone was like, "F███ yeah, this movie is sick." Why didn't they go like, "What a bunch of woke ████ This little girl's beating up big dudes." Because it was a It was an absurd like comedy movie over the top at every It's magical realism. Yeah. But they also trained her. Exactly. They earned it. They earned it. They earned the ████ out of it. And everyone was rooting her on. I don't remember anybody being like, "Oh, really? Willie, she's blowing guys away with uzies. She wasn't like like just like kick flipping all over everybody.
7:34 But but it was like stylized and it was like it was cool to watch and it put you in a very like fantastical environment already. Yes, they earned it. God forbid. Woke stuff just seems like lazy writing. It could be any character, but let's just put a black truck. Who is in the middle of the frame? That is who you now love. They are That is Ray Skywalker. And you're like, "Okay, but make make me like her. Do something cool that we like. I like her. That's I think that's you're nailing it cuz it's it's bad writing cuz I'm watching it makes it look worse. I'm watching this show right now which I really like called Duster and you can have woke ideology in there and hide it better with good writing because they make it so stupid there like one of the persons is like a FBI like black girl that's in the department. She's new. You don't have to say that everyone thinks she's black and they don't like it. Like you can just
8:24 put her there and I'm going to know that because it's 1974. Like but then they have to go they have to have another guy go well I mean we usually don't get a black agent. It's a woman. Like you don't have to ████ say it. Just leave it alone. And then her partner who's a ████ Navajo is has to say, "Yeah, they kind of treat me sort of bad around here." Like you don't need to say it. And she's like by the way they stole my land. Yeah. And they and so far every Every episode they say it at least once for both of them. They have to reiterate like, "Okay, don't forget they're they're not nice to her cuz she's black." And by the way, show don't tell used to be like a thing. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I mean. Now it's like we got to hit the hammer to nail hammer to nail. But do you think it's because people are getting dumber that they have to write it this way for them to get it?
9:15 No, I don't think people are getting dumber cuz I because they still beautiful art is still being made that people are receiving. Yeah. It's not like people aren't receiving, but I think people are aren't criticizing that as much because of the subject matter. Cuz you can't say that was bad writing. They're going to call you racist cuz they're like, "Oh, you just didn't like it cuz she's black." No, I didn't like the writing cuz it's really like But the people that though are they watching that and going, "F███ yeah." I think some people, but usually these shows fail and they don't do very well and then they and then they blame the audience for it every time. Even though they were the one who targeted the lowest common denominator and they go, "The audience sucks." Like I saw John Boyyga recently talk about Star Wars fans and how how racist they are because like he was in Star Wars and like they didn't like it or but the fans wanted more. But the fans loved him. He was such a good actor. Like I wanted to follow his character because he had the most interesting arc. And Daisy Ridley by the way I said I was just talking
10:06 about how they put her in center frame and they're like that's your star. She was a great actress. She did nothing wrong. They didn't do anything for her character. They didn't juice her character. It'd be like if in Hook they made him go, "It's tough being the only Filipino in Neverland." Like, you don't need to ████ say it. Just And then And then it immediately makes me go, "Okay, so you see yourself as a victim." Something that nobody really likes about people. And that just turns you off. It turns you off. Especially if you're supposed to be the hero of the show, how many times have you heard your friend talk about, "Oh, I'm so ████ broke." or whatever. You're like, "God, yeah, just shut the ████ up a little bit." Right? You know, nobody goes like, "Oh, man. I'm really rooting for you now, brother, cuz you talk about how broke you are all the time." Nobody. Literally nobody does that. Yeah. It it loses that character's chance to win you over with something real. But then they're like expecting you to root for them just because of this like assumed hardship. And then I think it it builds like cultural momentum cuz then if you get
10:56 that dissatisfaction multiple times in a row when you see it again. Case in point like they recasted for the new Harry Potter TV show series Snape as a black dude, right? But like he could kill it. He could be a ████ phenomenal snake. But people are already mad because they just think, "Oh no, now you're going to go get woke with everything." It's echoes of things that pissed people off before just coming back up. But this guy, by the way, why would we deny this guy a job? He could he could have killed it in this audition. For all we know, he's like going to crush it. Well, yeah. I mean, because Dr. Dittle, for instance, is a lot of people's favorite movie that they didn't even ████ know the original one is not black. Yeah. And nobody called it woke at the time. No, they didn't say nothing because he killed They didn't do enough corny ████ back then to to make Eddie Murphy go, "Ah, gez, this is a little wo." But Dr. Doolittle wasn't about him being black. Yeah, he was just a doctor. He could talk to animals. That's it. That's the bit. And by the way, Nutty Professor is
11:47 the same ████ Nutty Professor was a white guy, too. Wasn't that also Jerry Lewis? I think I think so. They're all And nobody gave a ████ No, most a lot of ████ amazing movies are remakes in a different race and it wasn't a problem till now. What about Daddy Daycare remake? Eight cheaper by the dozens remov. [Laughter] It was to kill the monkey bar too. That's why I think it's like they're not giving like characters their fair shot to be loved. The departed a remake. Yeah, it was Infernal Affairs. And that one's actually really good. The original's really good. We We just This is not The last of us, but we watched a show called The Four Seasons on Netflix. Oh, dude. I saw it. And I thought that show was like it they handled like mature like marriage relationships, but it was just I felt like it was pretty good writing. It felt like I was like,
12:38 "Oh man, these are just natural stories whether they're black, white, gay, doesn't matter. You're just watching them be couples and then going through their problems." They didn't make it corny and lame. They didn't It was just like real problems, real ████ They had a gay couple in it and you're not like this is insufferable. Exactly. Exactly. Like they were just funny, good characters that you liked no matter what. And it was just fun. It was a great show. Yeah, I liked it. And I that was the last show I saw where I was like, "Oh, this is actually good writing." But then you get like you see who wrote it and it's like Tina Fey. Yeah, exactly. People who are good at writing. You know gay couple I really enjoyed the one in Modern Family. Yeah. Oh yeah, exactly. And they're just characters. I hate Vietnam. They're great. Yeah. I think what happens too by the bird cage real quick. The bird cage. One of the great movies. Nobody called it woke. It's an original story. It's believable. I think it becomes woke when it's virtue signaling and and signaling and um in like it's like it's not
13:30 authentic. You could feel that they're doing it for pandering cuz like in Vikings like remember when Lagatha became lesbian all of a sudden and it was like why it it wasn't even properly explained. It's like random that season felt extremely woke right for whatever reason. Umbrella Academy where they literally did a sex change on on Ellen Paige's character and made her she went from being uh Vana to Victor for no reason. Well, because in real life Ellen Paige sex change. So they're like we I guess we're changing the story to a sex change thing. And apparently the director she texted the director like I wanted sex change on the show. And then apparently this leaked later that he he texted a bunch of people from the staff like ████ my life. basically like I would be too cuz it's like dude this character now I got to change my whole story because of you. It's just that
14:21 it's just that the bad writing is reminiscent of when you watch a movie for school and it's a lesson and it's not a movie. You're not entertained by it. You they're trying to give you a lesson and I don't want to feel like someone's trying to give me a lesson. Like I want to be able to learn lessons based on the ████ that I think I'm not watching an after school special where it is handhanded and they are telling me this is your brain on drugs and it is corny as ████ We all made fun of it back then for the same reason cuz it's lazy as ████ right? But you know what it feels like? It doesn't feel like someone who's like an expert in the field. It's like a Buzzfeed journalist that's a teenager that's ████ virtual virtue signaling some ████ and trying to preach to me versus someone that's wellversed in it and they can tell a good story. And one of the things I thought like the woke ████ they missed so hard is there's already great stories of these different cultures. Yeah, there's real stories. There's Why don't
15:11 you create characters that already exist and tell that story? You don't have to make James Bond gay. Yeah. Just tell a story about a gay spy. If they did, that'd be kind of funny. And they didn't they never mentioned that he was gay, but he was just like ████ dudes all the time. You'd be like, but they wouldn't be able to not mention it. That's the sad part. I would love if they didn't mention it, but the fact that they can't resist telling you to your face, it's like that's bad. By the way, I'm Asian. Oh, ████ really. And Asian like you will never make it. No, but they asked Henry Golding potentially to be uh James Bond for what he thought about and he's like I don't think I should play him. I think James Bond is white. Yeah. And he said that isn't he half white? But like he looks Asian. Yeah. But yeah, I mean Superman Superman's clearly like some white dude, but Dean Kane played him great. Like it just and nobody gave a ████ because Dean Kane was just playing him straight up. He wasn't like, "By the way, by the way,
16:03 uh yeah, I I will have some egg rolls. Thank you." Like that's what they would that's what they would do now. That's how corny it is. It's just so bad. Which alludes to the line that is like most controversial is when in The Last of Us she's like uh her, you know, counterpart is like pregnant through like her ex-boyfriend or whatever. And then so she's like, I'm going to be a dad. That's the pandering right there. That was the worst thing I've seen in a while. Yeah. Everybody hates it. And again, no, I feel bad for them. I don't. Yeah, she's just doing her job as an actress. She's doing her job and she's a good actor. I agree. I agree. It's just it's a really difficult thing to try and like get everybody to like love. On top of the fact that I heard in the game she's when she finds out that her girl is pregnant by her ex dude, she's like pissed. Yeah, that's totally different. Yeah, exactly. Right. That's a
16:53 completely different scenario. Yeah. Especially in the postapocalyptic setting, you know? Why not just say I'm going to be a mom? What's up with that? Like just say, "I'm going to be a mom." Or what if she said, "I'm going to be a dad." Like that would have been better. Well, I'm going to be a parent. I'm going to be a dad. You know, nobody would have cared if she's like, "Oh ████ I'm going to be a parent." That's crazy. Nobody would have gave a ████ But she's like, "I'm going to be a dad." Like, "What do you mean you're going to be a dad?" Yeah, they made it so clear. They had to make it clear. I feel like the agenda gets away with bad writing because they want so badly to insert the ████ stuff in there. And then I'm like, when you're watching Jerry Maguire at the end of the movie where he says, "You complete me." They didn't just invent that. They actually seated it. They had like a person who was I think deaf greeting their partner and they said like you know blah blah blah or whatever what deaf people do. They move their hands together. Not important. And then and then Tom Cruz is like he's like hey what
17:44 uh what did they just say? What was that about? And then um what's her Zwiggers says oh he said you complete me. And Tom Cruz's character is very confused by that cuz why would somebody complete somebody else? He's focused on his job. By the end of the movie when he says you complete me, it it was earned because we saw that earlier and now he came back to her after completing the arc with his job and now he wants her because he realizes his job is a vacuous ████ empty hole if he doesn't have a relationship and and that was earned. But but but you you don't just get there by going I'm a dad. They should have said like ████ earlier like I think I'm a ████ guy, bro. I think I have a ████ fake old ████ dick running down my leg here or anything to or even for her to talk about Joel being like a father that she never had. Like build a relationship and ideology and theme of father. Her dad meant so much to her,
18:34 right? Or like what if she's scared because she's like, "Oh my god, this baby's not going to have a dad like I did or anything. It's already just like actually human ████ that see it and then pay it off." Yeah. The ex the ex-boyfriend is the dad and still alive. I don't know. But that's why that's why like that's the thing I don't like about it is that it's criticism proof because of the topic, right? They need more nonwhite writers in there that's like that's ████ stupid. Yeah. They need more people to be like no like don't that's ████ to be or it might be it might be like just nepotism. It might be some someone's nephew on the writing team and he's ████ doing it, you know? It's like there's so much politics you don't even know where it's coming from. But it also feels like what they did with Game of Thrones in the last season. They just were like, "All right, let's just ████ But they ████ rushed their homework cuz they have another better gig." Yeah. And that's what it feels like. It's just lazy. It
19:25 just didn't feel like it was like you said, earned. I think that's the best way to put it. Yeah. Earned is the most important thing. Well, just it just it doesn't exist anymore. Except for in Christopher Nolan movies and a couple other few others. They they had a low budget for Ryan mainly when he works with Jonathan. But then that's that's that's the difference between like selling it and not selling it. Yeah. Like if it's earned, then people will swallow it and take it at face value. Otherwise, if you detect that a little bit of like inauthenticity, then it's going to suck to you. By the way, Tenant, nobody cared that John David Washington was black. They cared that the movie sucked. Does that movie suck? I was going to ask if I should watch it. You should watch it cuz it wasn't working with Jonathan. That was his joke. I just was carrying on. But I I agree still in that way. But it it it's one of those things where when you watch it the first time, it sucks. Especially when it was in theaters and the audio audio is bad. Audio is crazy. And but they but they fix the audio and when you
20:17 when you watch it a second time and you're you're actually paying attention to things, you're like, "Oh, this is actually a different kind of brilliant." I was just it was too meta for me. What if I watch a breakdown of the whole video movie and then watch the movie? That might help. That might help, but it might spoiler everything. You have to watch Cloud Atlas like nine times to get not going to watch Cloud Atlas time. But before we're done, I'm not going to watch Cloud Atlas. I still want to give props to Bella Ramsey. Uh same Obviously she subscribes. It's not on her and and Lady Mormont the way that was done. She crushed it. So she's a great actress just not in this room. That was earned though because one as a kid she just had really great script writing and dialogue and then when she actually goes in the fire they burn. No, when they go in the fight it's realistic because the giant ████ up or the giant picks her up and crushes her. That makes sense. And she's able to just stab him in the eye and it's like you that was a payoff. Oh, I
21:08 thought they burned her. No, no, they Dude, this giant picks her up. and crushes. Oh, that was her. Okay. Yeah. And then she's like, "Ah." And she takes out a knife and stabs him in the eye and then he dies. And it's like, "Dude, you killed a giant." That's sick. That's sick. One for one. See, that's believable. She's a little girl. She beat a giant. That makes sense. I saw a clip of it. They were taken from the last of
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