0:00 But we all know stats doesn't matter. >> It honestly doesn't. And any >> What's that one movie? >> It honestly doesn't matter. >> Moneyball. >> I think that movie is all stats. >> That movie is about stats. >> Where stats mattered only. Actually, >> how stats changed the game forever. Welcome back to the Careful Boys episode right here. What we're doing is special with Subie, guest star, Subie over here, our specialist, giant time NBA finalist specialist Subie. Um, back from boot camp. And we got to talk ball, man. We got to talk We got to talk big ball. >> Can Can editors can you put ball expert under our names for once? Like like on
0:51 the Chiron, please? >> Oh, that's going to be cool. Like ESPN ball expert. >> Just ball expert. We know ball. >> We do. >> This guy knows ball. Every every single one is just like, I know ball. This guy knows ball. That guy knows ball. >> He's a balls player. >> Yeah. So, what's your angle, bro? >> My angle is Nick's fans should be go to prison. >> Why? >> That's my angle. >> This for mobbing that one. >> Yeah. He mobbed this cat, this Spurs cat who's walking out of the stadium. It was a bunch of them, too. It's like a whole bunch of stories. >> Oh, ████ >> Yeah. And they're So, like they're leaving Madison Square Garden and the Spurs finally won a game. This is the first games Nick Knicks lost in 45 days. Poor babies. >> And they couldn't take it. >> Couldn't take it. Started attacking people with Spurs jerseys. One cat had to take off his Spurs jersey just to get the mob off of his ass. >> Sounds like a Raider game. >> Exactly. By the way, that guy the Spurs should the community should kick that
1:42 guy out. He took the jersey off, dude. That's not rider mentality, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to get your ass whooped anyway, dude. >> You're just You got I'd wear my Pacers jersey the whole time. >> You're not You're not lawyer. No. You look like a big target. I would for sure understand. Like >> I got a punchable face, too. >> Beer cans flying over just hitting you in the head for sure. >> So, are the games kind of like the European soccer games now where people are just throwing down with each other? >> No. >> It's Madison Square Garden particularly. >> It's it's also very contextual like you have to put so many things into into orbit, right? You have to put in the fact that the Knicks haven't been to the NBA finals in like 29 years. >> I see. you know, and like you also have to put into the fact like New York is already New York in so many ways. And then you put into like the anything you put into the the the Jersey or the Boston or the or the Chicago or the LA
2:33 rivalries, right? And you watch like especially in basketball, you watch what LA's been doing. Like we win that conversation every ████ day when it comes to LA versus New York. We win that every day when it comes >> asterisk 2020 season asterisk bubble season. We still got a ring. A ring's a ring. Okay. Say that to Alex. >> The Knicks and Spurs are are uh beefing like that or >> No, no, no. It's just the fact that the Knicks made it back that like it's pandemonium in New York. It could be any team. It could be any team. >> You have to understand even if New York just makes the regular semifinals, they're fighting people in the streets anyway. Like it's just New York. >> It's how they are. >> But that's also what makes them so like cool to be a part of. It's like Eagles fans throwing batteries at people. >> Yeah. >> It's just how they It's It's in their DNA. They throw batteries. >> I mean, LA too, right? It's like whether you win or lose, Dodgers, Lakers, a car
3:25 is going to get set on fire, police cars going to be up. >> Oh, yeah. People are doing donuts in front of the Crypto.com. Like, it's >> I remember people flipping cars when the Lakers won. >> Yeah. >> They won the whole thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's cool. >> It's so wild. >> But it's so fun. That's that's what makes us, you know, us. Like the the the culture of LA includes the uh the the street hot dog vendors and the u the you know the the stupid car what do they call the >> takeovers. Yeah. Takeovers. Like that's a very like LA culture thing I think. And then there's other cities, right, that are are do have that different sports mentality. You know, there's there's that >> I'm such a ████ dad now. If I see a takeover, I hope cops come come and shoot bean bags at them. >> Man, your ass would have probably been at one when you were a teenager. >> I know, but I'm such a dad. I'm like,
4:16 dude, just shut that down. Tear gas right away. Don't ████ around. Okay, cool. Now I can walk to ████ Sprouts and buy some ████ >> You're like, "Can we get a farmers market here, please?" >> Yeah. >> It's not It's not as popular though. The takeovers are not that hot no more. >> That was like a co thing. >> Yeah, but plus now they're actually doing something about it, so nobody's doing it. It's like dying out, >> dude. That's a good thing to be dying out. I'm happy. >> Thank God. >> It's like also when you watch a lot of those videos and people like, you know, their clothes are getting ripped off under tires and they're naked flying across the street. >> Yeah. They're butt naked. The ding-dings are hanging out, you know? >> Or people just trying to get to work. There's just people just trying to get to work and the whole intersection is just shut down. They're like, "God damn it." >> You mean just go home after work? >> It's like a ████ baker trying to get to the doughnut shop and she's all sweating and ████ going to get fired.
5:06 >> But people are doing it thing, man. The the people are hating freaking these takeovers, man. And people are just clowning on these guys, too. So now it's >> they they they know they're lame. >> It's like the Just Stop Oil, guys. Nobody's on their team. >> Just stop. >> It's just too much of a pain in the ass. >> Annoying, >> dude. Just Stop Oil is like one of the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. >> But the next stupidest thing is Knicks fans for me. >> That part, too. It's like, is it that serious? >> I would say at least 80% of the nation wants the Knicks to win over the Spurs. >> No shot. No shot. >> You don't think that? >> Not at my house, my brother. >> I know. Not in your house. You're calling Spurs. >> You think the sentiment is Knicks? >> I feel like it is. >> Really? >> I feel like it is. >> I feel like this Knicks fans thing turned a lot of people off on them. >> I think Knicks fans can turn people off, but like I think when you're if I'm just looking at the basketball game, like I
5:56 I'm I'm happy for the Knicks, the this team, I'm happy for them. >> Yeah. But you don't have a huge intense rivalry with them. That's why. >> Okay. Sure. I don't. I don't. Yeah, LA's never had that rivalry with them. >> Listen, it's gonna be the Spurs. >> You really think so? >> See, I love that, Subie. I love that because you're Subie. You're you're the ball knower. >> What What game are we on right now? I don't even know. >> We're going to game four tonight. >> Oh, okay. >> And what's the score so far? Yeah. What's the score? >> It's two to1 right now. Uh they're going to play in New York. >> Two to1 Knicks. >> Two to1 Knicks. Yeah. Spurs just won game three in New York. >> Oh. >> And they're going to play in New York again. And dude, the the average ticket price in and it was like five figgies, but it was like 10 or some ████ You see you see that >> average ticket? >> Yeah. >> Like nose bleeds are like 10 $10,000. >> Steve just said a game, right? $10,000 ticket, right? Hey, NBA top boss comes
6:47 down and goes, "Hey guys, don't win it all too fast. We're not going to make enough money. >> I need you to slow down a little bit. I need you, you know, pipe it down. Spurs, hey, I need you to start keeping up. And now it's going to be like what? Three Knicks, three Spurs, and that last game is where it counts. >> Do you really think Adam Silver is telling the Knicks, "Don't a slow it down?" >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I think he tells the refs, "Hey, slow it down." >> Remember, at the same time, it's it's everything is rigged, right? The government's rigged. Everything, the world is rigged. So, the whole game is going to be rigged. We need to extend this ████ playoff. We need to uh maximize our profit. >> And to be fair, I agree. Me too. >> I want a game seven. >> This is what the mob wants and I I'm down. >> Yeah. And at the end of the day, NBA is going to be like, "Okay, guys, this is the last game where if you win, you win.
7:37 If you win, you win." >> You want to go game seven? You want to go game seven? >> Yes. Game seven. >> Everybody wants game seven except for Knicks fans. >> How many times? Every year game seven has happened. How many times? >> That's true. >> Last year we got it. >> Yeah. And the year before that. >> Year before that. >> He's a pattern recognizer. >> It's not even pattern rec. It's just easy. It's just like it's by the playbook. Hey, expand it cuz we need to make more money. The last game just go hard. So, at the end, Spurs going to win. >> So, the era of sweeps are over. >> Well, that's the thing though. But here's the thing, though. The Knicks have swept every round of the playoffs except for the first round and now the last round. So, the literally they won what, like 12 games in a row. >> It's been insane. >> Like, so it's just been all sweeps on New York side. Uh, OKC was basically sweeping as well until they finally won against the Spurs. So, it's like they they have it's been a quick playoff season in one sense or so so it feels
8:28 it's kind of been the same time eventually cuz they still like put the calendar out. >> Um but yeah, I I agree. I I think if you got if you got a finals and then you get a sweep, then that was like an unsuccessful weird playoff run. >> Yeah, it's a crazy shutdown. And then it's just that conversation again where everybody gets back into like it's so easy in the east, you know what I mean? Like that that >> after 30 years, >> but it I mean kind of it's it's not >> it's a conversation. It's a conversation as all. >> If and if it's a sweep at the end, it becomes more of a conversation. So everybody wants to see a good competition. That's all. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's true. >> But then if you're a Knicks fan, Yeah. you got you you're hoping for the next two dubs right away. >> Yeah. >> Cuz this is your one shot. >> Remember, it's not for the people. It's for the pocket. >> It makes sense. It makes sense. You know, WMBB is a younger player, you
9:18 know. >> I mean, future of the league, he's 22 years old. >> They're a younger team, you know. It's It's more endearing to see him like be all emotional, go so far, drop the bucket because he's young, and then become stronger over summer, come back. >> It's It's the story. >> Yeah. It's a It's a better thing. >> Good. It's a good story, and that's what they want. >> I get that. >> Good for both teams. So, why wouldn't they want to do it? >> Yeah. >> Good for both teams. >> Brunson and Towns is a good story, too, though. That's a great Yeah, >> it's a I have to give it to him. Like, and Brun, they've been playing magnet ball, dude. They they just don't miss shots. It's been absolutely insane until the other night. >> And Brunson is just he's just he's ████ the king of New York right now. This 6'2 shortest dude on the ████ court is just lighting everybody up. It's like you can't deny. And he's not lighting them up like SJ was lighting, you know, people up and like fouling and falling like a little ████ blade of grass in the wind, you know, like like
10:09 Jaylen Brunson's looking like a G. You know, he's taking hits. He's calling out rest and just be like, "F███ this and playing harder." And it's like, damn, that's that's a good ball. >> The real question is who you got money on >> money. I have a ████ ton of stupid $1 parlays that that if I a ████ ton. So, if you win $1, one hit, it'll hit like 12 bucks. But then I got eventual money. I'm not going to lie, now on the Knicks um to win the whole thing. >> Dude, I should have >> You guys First time you guys are battling against each other. >> I bet. You know why? You know why? You know why? I bet the Knicks. You know why? I won't do it. It's because they were underdogs, so the odds were better. If I would have bet the Spurs, if I would have bet like like a hundred bucks on the Spurs, I would have won $140. >> I will say this though, >> you're playing odds. >> Yeah. >> This is really fueling my rivalry cuz every time I bet against the Knicks, I've lost. >> It's like the whole playoff series. >> So, I mean, we we originally had Webby
11:00 to be MVP of the whole thing. >> I know. Well, he should have been. >> Should have been >> should SGA my ass, dude. I can't stand that guy. >> But the Oracles here and he said Spurs. >> Yeah, I love it. Why? Okay. Can you So, other than the conspiracy stuff, do you think there's any other reason? Like, >> she never has a reason. >> I don't. I just I just see it. >> The book The book says this and that's the book. >> The book says this. >> People I I I noticed people always they always bet based off of stats, but we all know stats doesn't matter. >> It honestly doesn't. And any >> What's that one movie? >> It honestly doesn't matter. >> Moneyball. >> I think that movie is all stats. >> That movie is about stats. >> Where stats mattered only. Actually, >> how stats changed the game forever. >> Yeah, how stats changed the game, but it still didn't do anything. >> Uh, it changed the game. >> That's right. Cuz he's saying the O's he's saying the A's lost. >> The A's still lost. >> But the Socks ended up using that method
11:51 and winning and they broke the curse. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But besides that, what I'm trying to say is >> Yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy that they make a movie out of it. It's an anomaly. So, I I get that. I get that >> story was supposed to be about the A's. It just ended up becoming great great career path. They didn't they didn't win that game that mattered the most. >> The story was still about that they won that season and that mattered a lot >> and they went on an improbable run like they won like 25 games in a row or some ████ >> Right. Right. The Oracle is though. >> Magic came back to the city and they they believed again. The whole city united under this moment of belief and love. >> Now we're going to get them in Vegas. >> Yeah, buddy. >> But the story ain't about Spurs right now. >> Yeah. >> It's about women. >> It's about Knicks, right? So my >> Oh, so you're saying that because it's a better story they're going to win. So, you're saying the story is about the Knicks, so the Spurs are going to win. >> If you think about it, everything has to be about the story.
12:42 >> So, so we're going against the story, >> huh? >> You just said the Spurs are going to win. But you said, >> "Well, explain to me why the Pacers didn't win then. Cuz that story was good." >> ████ a. Well, we know why. Cuz I know nothing about >> We know why. Cuz Achilles Achilles 9 minutes, that's why. We would have won that game. >> Yeah. But I don't know nothing about that. All I know is I just see >> I just see the Spurs. I just see it. just he goes, "I don't need a reason. The vision is them with a trophy." >> Did you see the three nuns praying over that one day? >> Yeah, I did. >> Now imagine when they win is because they're going to make a cool ass story about those nuns. >> He f he fy. No way New York New York Spurs is won and has done it again in 20 years. And then they see the ████ nuns just holding hands over the NBA player. That's the story. That's the ████ win. It's not bad cuz they No team has ever come back losing two at at home,
13:34 >> right? Once again, it's the story. >> Losing the first two at home. >> All right, you you heard it here first, guys. >> I love it. >> You better bet. Give me some cut. >> You better bet. >> Wait, but but you think the Knicks going to win? Cuz I thought you said the Spurs going to win. >> I said Spurs going to win. I just said the New York Spurs. >> Yeah. >> The New York Spurs. >> Huh? >> What are you talking What do you mean by the New York Spurs? >> Because I was just talking. >> Oh, you sounded good. I thought there was something deeper like they own Madison Square Garden or something cool like that >> probably. >> I like it >> cuz he he started with Spurs going to win and then at the end he was fighting for the Knicks cuz the story's better.
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