0:00 You know who I think got a clean rap out of the Epstein Files? Who actually got his name exonerated? >> Who? >> Michael Jackson. Dude. >> Oh, dude. >> I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ████ I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ████ >> I was wrong. >> He's been saving them. >> He's been saving them at Neverland Ranch. And what a ████ sanctuary, dude. >> Welcome back. Another episode of the Careful Boys. Today we have uh political science expert Nick Dunn. >> Nick the political science expert. >> I like conspiracy Nick. Man, >> let let's start with Nick and let's go around and talk about uh what are the positive sides of this entire Epstein drama. >> We talked about conspiracy theories in general, right? And I like them because there's always like I like
0:52 >> it's true. Like I could see a world where this could happen. But then you say that around certain people and they look at you like you're, for lack of a better word, ████ ████ They look at you like you have a syndrome of some sort. >> I actually think they're ████ You know that. >> Yeah. Me, too. Me, too. But I go, "All right, dude. Your third eye is not open. It's chill. Whatever." >> ████ Wnik's the best, dude. >> But, but now the Epcot. >> Yeah. But I could see a world where like if that happens to be true, if somehow that gets proven, I'm not going to be like, "Oh, whatever, dude." I'm gonna be like, "Oh, yeah, that was a possibility." But now with the Epstein Epstein files, now that's being so public, a lot more people that used to that would say like, "This is crazy.
1:42 This is ████ This is crackpot." Now they're being forced to see how depraved some people could be >> and like like the I guess the ends of how evil somebody can be like a Epstein or when people have so much power and there's no accountability, right? So I think this is really important for everyone to see, including, you know, my mom. >> Oh wow. >> My mom needs to see this, dude. She every time I bring this stuff up, she just look at me like, "All right, dude. Whatever." You know what's crazy? What's crazy is um like I think the regular person still thinks there's like just classic Disney, Marvel, good or bad. Good evil. Yeah, good and evil, right? Pro wrestle. >> That's that's and then most people don't want to get super involved in it. I was talking to um some friends that are European and they uh they see things
2:32 from like outside lens and you know as of now like I think more and more stuff comes up and this might be controversial to say but we are talking about conspiracies that Hitler might not be the ultimate bad guy right not saying he's the ultimate good guy either >> but uh he he might be he might >> it's a lot more gray it's not black and white >> there might have been some catalyst that incited whatever his vision was or whatever right And what my friend told me, he was like, and because they grew up in like pretty much Nazi occupied uh Europe, they were saying like, "Oh, you know what? Hitler's kind of like uh like your guys's Obama." >> And I was like, "Wait, what?" Because we see Obama like as this like in in a different light, right? Cuz we're on the inside. He goes, "Someone with a lot of charisma, lots of swag, took over the country. People wanted it." >> Yeah. No, he did. He had like a 99% approval, right?
3:23 >> Yeah. And then but then you look and then you know like all the Obama drone strikes all the crazy ████ killing civilians, children, women. It was like a lot of collateral damage and I'm like >> people don't like hearing that about Obama. >> Yeah. And I'm like oh ████ that's crazy. Well I think the difference is that like like you really nailed it where people believe in pure good and pure evil, right? So when you're at that stage of consciousness, you look at everybody in binaries. you you can only be one like ultimate good like we put you on a pedestal or your ultimate devil right but then there's so much nuance behind it right so like we know about these world leaders that we look up to that has like a dark side to them and I think for us growing up and maybe you know joining gangs and all that stuff you know that your best buddy who's a charismatic cool guy he would never turn on you but he's out there breaking into
4:15 homes and beating up people and doing horrible ████ but you actually like them, right? So there's like so there's like there's that nuance and I think that's where we get kind of caught here where like we have to bring people through the journey of how we arrived to this conclusion and then how we view humans because I think humans are complex and someone that is capable of doing something beautiful and good for the world can also have a dark side that's also really destructive and that's too much to for people to believe. I think it's like how can this guy that's been giving hella charity and helping people also be dealing drugs and destroying society. It happens though because humans are complex and so when I think about wars and when I think about like world leaders and things like that I don't think it's even possible that a
5:05 world leader has no stance. Like you have to make a decision when you're a world leader. You have to make a decision of you okay the killing of this person to prevent a 100 people to die or you you kill this person >> rock and hard place >> y >> all decisions are like that >> but it's not to like obviously there's like horrible people and and and leaders and then some that aren't so bad and I think that's how you got to look at it is maybe some aren't so bad >> like you know who I think got a clean rap out of the Epstein files who actually got his name exonerated Dude, >> Michael Jackson, dude. >> Oh, DUDE. >> I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ████ I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU, ████ >> I was wrong. >> He's been saving them. >> He's been saving them at Neverland Ranch. And what a ████ sanctuary,
5:55 dude. Boys and Girls Club needs to take note. >> I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR ████ YEARS. Need a monkey. You need a ferris wheel. >> He's been saving them. >> And you know what place I want to raid? Have you guys been seeing all the crazy ████ of like the underground tunnels at the Getty? Oh my god. >> Raid that place. >> That's crazy. What's in there? What's What's in the Getty tunnels? >> That is like the West Coast version of what like Epstein Island would be. There's like a secret society. >> Yeah, the Getty. Lots of like >> Oh, brother. >> Crazy sex r. >> Who's the richest family out here in California, dude? >> Under the dude, they have some weird parties, brother. >> If it connects to the tunnels under New York. Hey, >> I do miss living in a world though where I just believed in like good and evil. >> It's easier. >> It's easier when you could go, he's the good guy, he's the bad guy.
6:45 >> What if it's easier being like everyone's a piece of ████ until you're proven guilty? >> That's what I believe now. That's a good way to live. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like you you're all ████ shady, but we'll see. >> But believing in hard good and evils is makes it so much easier to virtue signal. >> But that's what the media relies on, right? Yeah, >> they rely on that. >> And it's also a comforting feeling when you're ignorant cuz if you're just like, "Hey dude, like America's the savior." Like we go around, we spread democracy. Um we save countries from like, you know, being destroyed or whatever by their dictators. And then later you find out we created that dictator. We put that guy in power. >> I think that's just an age thing. No, >> no, >> dude. There's 50 year olds that are ████ >> Yeah, but I feel like >> brainwashed like a ████ >> Maybe not all. Maybe I'm over exaggerating a little bit, but I'm I'm
7:36 sure there's a small there's a good amount of people out there that eventually go through those same waves of seeing it for what it is and then just by paying attention over time, they realize it's kind of a scam at the end, >> right? >> Like you watch the political theater for so long that by the time you get to your 30s, you realize, oh, they making the same promises, the same ████ and no matter left or right, they're doing the same corruption. and they're still upsetting the people >> if you're paying attention. >> Yeah, >> a lot of people still believe their their team. >> I have faith, dude. And I think with the internet, it's probably hopefully changing because now we have different ways to get media, but then the other side is true where you can get indoctrinated just by your algo, >> right? >> Cuz based on what you look if you're not actively looking for the other side cuz sometimes I I'm really curious to see what the far right far left is saying
8:27 and how it kind of like meets in the middle. I like seeing Ryan's random questions pop up in random other people's posts. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, Ryan's been here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Dude, Ryan's everywhere. >> The most recent one, was it was it like something that have to do with like either raising taxes or something? And then you're like, I would really love to hear what the other side is or something. It was something to do with money. Was it taxes or something? >> I can't remember what that was. Yeah. >> I forgot. But it was like I'm like, oh yeah, I'm curious, too. Cuz it seemed like such a bipartisan thing. Oh, yeah. It was because I was asking like I want to know what the left sees this as a long-term effect on why they support it. >> It was something with the It might have been the mileage tax in California. Yeah, >> it seemed like everyone would agree, but why don't >> cuz you're using the roads more. That's why, dude. >> Yeah, California is in is trying to instate this mileage tax where you have
9:18 to pay more money depending on how far you drive. >> And that's ████ >> Yeah. And I was just like, "Okay, well, if that's >> good thing Pasadena's long way, >> good thing I already do that." >> Yeah. If that's getting leftist support, I'm not I don't want to just immediately shut it down. But I want to know, do you see something we don't as to why that's beneficial? >> No. >> I just want to know like cuz you know, by reflex, you look at that and you're like, that's really dumb. >> That's why people get mad at leftists sometimes. >> We all drive. So >> yeah. Or maybe it's not a leftist thing. Maybe it's it's like both sides are are uh whatever the companies are aligned with, they're just saying yes to it. I don't know. >> Yeah, I look for the special interests. >> But I always want to ask like but I never get an answer. >> No one we're not that organized. >> One thing I do really really like about the Epstein stuff is that like I guess for so long in my life, I've always
10:08 imagined that the people in power are not really the people in power in a matter of speaking. And I guess like when you saw the swing from uh from Trump's campaign saying they they're running on this thing that they're gonna release the files and then you see everybody in that whole entire organization flip suddenly as if somebody above them said no we're not doing that now. You know what I mean? It's not like Trump told everyone, "Okay, now we're not going to." That's not him saying that. >> A lot of people are saying that even Trump when it would be brought up the FC files, he'd always be like, "Yeah, yeah, we'll get to it." But it was everyone else around him that was like, "We got to get after it." It was like the movement, right? Like the whole political movement. >> Yeah. The MAGA movement eventually became like, "Yeah, Epstein files." Cuz remember during BLM, right? >> One of the when it was going crazy, there was a lot of like right-wing dudes would always BE LIKE, "BUT WHAT ABOUT
10:59 CHILD TRAFFICKING?" >> YEAH. >> AND they were like, "They made that their ████ thing, >> you know, and Shawn Ryan, too." And which is a good thing. I believe that's a great thing that we should be after child traffickers. And then Sean Ryan, one of the big guys, the big podcasters, was that was like one of his main talking points that all the guests he has is talking about how he exposed Roblox. He did a lot of great things for the movement. He had Tim Tibo on talking about going out there getting child trafficking, >> right? >> And then now when Trump is like, come on, dude. Like who even cares? What's the big deal? You guys still talk about Epstein. Come on. >> He's like, nobody cares about this guy. He was a loser. Let's move on. And he tried to make it like a Democrat hoax. >> Yeah. And then Sean Ryan's like, "What the f███?" And now his whole audience is like, "Yo, ████ you, dude." And it's like the goodwill that they harbored with that with being against it is now
11:51 being weaponized against them. And it's ████ that's what they deserve, dude. That's what they ████ get. >> He lost a lot of his uh supporters, a ton of them. Yeah. >> Now it's like now he's implicated even more, right? And then now it seems like, oh, dude, you might you might go down as a ████ psy now. I hope Sean Ryan has like 24-hour security for real. I feel like the questions that he's asking is one of the >> He dropped Roblox stock by like like millions, dude. >> Needed to be exposed, though. That's It's still happening. >> They're still covering up. Like, dude, no one is getting talked to on our app. Like, what are you talking about? >> Oh, it's still happening. >> They're still fighting people. Now, I think that's one kind of silver lining for me at least is that like a lot of people were saying that, oh, you know, you're just indoctrinated by Trump or whatever, but it was it was what they were talking about finally that got
12:42 people to go, at least he's talking about it. >> Yeah. >> And then we find out now that he's compromised. And then, you know, well, in the beginning, I think a lot of people were standing behind it because it was like, oh, it's the first time a politician is actually admitting to this stuff. and saying they're going to investigate. Now he has a camp, he has Pam buddy, he has Cash Patel. They're openly going on podcast like when we get in there we're going to release the files. We're going to talk about it. And then they get up there and then they're like, what are you talking about? What files? There's nothing in there that you need to see. And then instead of people being like manga dieards and being like, you know what, that's right. There's nothing in there. Some people are though. Some people are. >> Yeah. But they're the minority. But they're the minority, right? Most people are like, "Oh, well, ████ you then." You know, cuz Candace Owens is like, "I'm not supporting Trump anymore." Like,
13:32 there's a lot of people that are influencers that were behind it and they're like, >> turn their back cuz they have to. Cuz it's like the things that's going on is like, bro, we we're going to lose our ████ channel if we keep like supporting this, you know? >> Cuz for me, I don't I'm not loyal to anyone I don't know in person, right? But if someone is talking about a real issue that I feel like should be spoken like and then there's no politician that's representing that. >> You just got to call it a buck, bro. That's it. >> Yeah. Then then I'm going to go for that because there's no there's what's the alternative? If no one's talking about it but there's one person, then you got to follow that, right? But it's opened up that door now. Now we can all talk about it openly. Okay. 10 years ago, do you think anybody would talk about this in the mainstream? No. I we we used to talk about pizza gay. I've spoken about this stuff. They just look at you like crazy. But now that it's released, now it's something we can all talk about.
14:23 And then I think that opens up the Pandora's box of you can't put it back in now. >> Yeah. I bring it up too much actually. >> Do you think they're going to do anything about Alex Jones's settlement? How how he has to pay that insane amount of money over his denial of uh Sandy Hook? >> Probably not. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know because that's a different case, right? >> Cuz he dropped the ball on that one. Maybe. I don't know. What the ████ I don't even What? Because what was he even saying? He said it was fake. >> He said it was it was fake. Yeah, it was staged. >> All right. All right. All right. All right. All right, dude. Yeah, you got to take the L, dude. Everything else you were ████ good on. But the frogs are turning gay. >> Like this is decent momentum for if there's anyone fighting on his behalf legally to kind of take this and run with it and try to reach that, you know, >> talking about how I like watching the far right, the far left. I started I watch PBD sometimes, the PBD podcast, and he had Alex Jones on and uh his new
15:14 theory is that Candace Owens is a trans man >> who who who got Erica Kirk pregnant and that's the reason why they killed Charlie Kirk and it's like, "All right, DUDE. YOU JUST HAD SO MUCH GOOD MOMENTUM and then you came in with that. If he turns out to be right in the next 10 years, I'm going to be like, "All right, dude. I'm not going to I'm not going to ever doubt you." He He's so crazy though that even when it's right, you just it's it's hard to believe him. >> I remember that was the feeling I had when he talked about Pizz. I was like, "Yo, what the ████ is this guy talking about?" >> It's crazy is that like I remember cuz it was uh Foo showed me the pizza gate thing back when Alex Jones first posted it and we watched it together and I was like, "Bro, you're going to go down a you get put your tin foil hat on." You know what I mean? And then now I'm like, "Oh s███." >> And to see how it's so mainstream is so crazy. >> I'm like maybe he because he was right about that. He He's like, "Man, I better
16:04 say everything I'm thinking now.
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